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DIY-HP-LED

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US says Russia is taking hundreds of casualties daily | Ukraine Update
95,055 views Jul 22, 2022 Ukraine's president Volodomyr Zelenskyy says his country's forces now have the potential to turn the tide in the war - thanks to the delivery of longer-range weapons from the West. Meanwhile a senior US defense official says Russia's military is believed to be suffering hundreds of casualties every day. Russian forces have continued launching scattered attacks across eastern and southern Ukraine, including strikes on the city of Kharkiv that killed at least three people.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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this is what the word of russia is worth...fucking nothing.
when will NATO finally quit being cowardly cunts and stand up to russia and bitch slap them into line?
DESTROY their ability to make war on their neighbors, and DARE the motherfuckers to launch even a small yield tactical nuke.
for every nuclear weapon you launch, we will launch 4 at you...makes no difference how many they have, after the first salvo they will be dead, with no one to fire any more missiles.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/europe/russia-ukraine-odesa-strike-grain-exports-intl/index.html
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
this is what the word of russia is worth...fucking nothing.
when will NATO finally quit being cowardly cunts and stand up to russia and bitch slap them into line?
DESTROY their ability to make war on their neighbors, and DARE the motherfuckers to launch even a small yield tactical nuke.
for every nuclear weapon you launch, we will launch 4 at you...makes no difference how many they have, after the first salvo they will be dead, with no one to fire any more missiles.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/europe/russia-ukraine-odesa-strike-grain-exports-intl/index.html
it would be much more effective for our postwar standing if our response to a nuclear first use by Russians would be fast, massive and 100% conventional.

Mutual assured destruction worked when there were two superpowers who more or less played by the rules. We need to develop a new core doctrine regarding wmd.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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it would be much more effective for our postwar standing if our response to a nuclear first use by Russians would be fast, massive and 100% conventional.

Mutual assured destruction worked when there were two superpowers who more or less played by the rules. We need to develop a new core doctrine regarding wmd.
i've advocated just going in with boots on the ground and kicking the ever living shit out of them. destroy the nuclear weapons they have stockpiled, destroy all their advanced weapons systems, give every "republic" the option to become independent, with NATO controlled free and fair elections. give financial aid to the ones who go with freedom, and aid in setting up whatever form of government they want to set up. make treaties with all of them from the beginning...don't block China out of the process, allow them to offer aid as well...
freedom works both ways, just like a knife. it would only make them more hostile and more aggressive if we blocked them out, offer them propaganda opportunities. it's hard to spread negative propaganda about your own partners in a deal that is going well for you.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i've advocated just going in with boots on the ground and kicking the ever living shit out of them. destroy the nuclear weapons they have stockpiled, destroy all their advanced weapons systems, give every "republic" the option to become independent, with NATO controlled free and fair elections. give financial aid to the ones who go with freedom, and aid in setting up whatever form of government they want to set up. make treaties with all of them from the beginning...don't block China out of the process, allow them to offer aid as well...
freedom works both ways, just like a knife. it would only make them more hostile and more aggressive if we blocked them out, offer them propaganda opportunities. it's hard to spread negative propaganda about your own partners in a deal that is going well for you.
That sounds like just the excuse Vladolf wants to pop his rockets.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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no. Intercontinental nuclear chicken is a stupid final chapter.
and this is fucking sparkling wit? allowing an ally to face a larger, better equipped ( sort of) enemy with no actual help is dishonorable...giving them weapons helps them, but giving them the crews to run those weapons would help more...we don't have to step foot in russia, just lob enough precision munitions at their railway system, connecting road ways, ammo dumps, and command centers to stop them cold...the whole thing could be over in weeks, instead of at least several months, and possibly years.
and the whole time the sword of putincles hangs on a thread above our heads, anyway...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
and this is fucking sparkling wit? allowing an ally to face a larger, better equipped ( sort of) enemy with no actual help is dishonorable...giving them weapons helps them, but giving them the crews to run those weapons would help more...we don't have to step foot in russia, just lob enough precision munitions at their railway system, connecting road ways, ammo dumps, and command centers to stop them cold...the whole thing could be over in weeks, instead of at least several months, and possibly years.
and the whole time the sword of putincles hangs on a thread above our heads, anyway...
Im not defending this. Im saying it could be far worse. I believe that we should not cross the nuclear threshold, since I don’t think limited nuclear war is really gonna stay that way. In this instance nukes are his (we do not say his name) card.
 

printer

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and this is fucking sparkling wit? allowing an ally to face a larger, better equipped ( sort of) enemy with no actual help is dishonorable...giving them weapons helps them, but giving them the crews to run those weapons would help more...we don't have to step foot in russia, just lob enough precision munitions at their railway system, connecting road ways, ammo dumps, and command centers to stop them cold...the whole thing could be over in weeks, instead of at least several months, and possibly years.
and the whole time the sword of putincles hangs on a thread above our heads, anyway...
Better to outlive them than nuclear war. Doing what we are but more of it. A total blockade, ten times the equipment to Ukraine. The problem with the majority of the population does not want to feel the economic pain.

Russia will allow grain shipments. But they will not stop the war including on Odessa. So who will commit their ships to move grain if there is a possibility of the ship 'accidentally' being hit. Nato should set up convoys and declare Odessa off limits to attack. Do this through the UN but do it fast.
 
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printer

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Turkey reacted to the missile attack on the port in Odessa
The Turkish Ministry of Defense responded to a missile attack on the port of Odessa. It is reported by Reuters .

According to the head of the department , Hulusi Akar , the Russian side notified Ankara that it had nothing to do with the shelling. At the same time, the Turkish Defense Ministry expressed concern over the incident.

Earlier, the military correspondent of Segodnya.ru, Yuri Kotenok , reported on his Telegram channel that a missile attack had been carried out on Ukrainian armed formations near the Odessa seaport. According to him, there were "at least five explosions."

Later, the Military Observer Telegram channel reported that two objects of the Ukrainian Navy were allegedly destroyed in the seaport of Odessa. According to the channel, a hydrographic vessel and an assault boat L 451 "Malin" suffered from the blow.

On July 23, the Russian Ministry of Defense issued a summary, but nothing was reported about missile attacks on the Odessa port from the Russian side. Moreover, the military department announced the creation of the necessary conditions for the functioning of maritime humanitarian corridors, including from the port of Odessa in a southwest direction from the territorial sea of Ukraine, 139 miles long and three miles wide.
Threat for export of grain
President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky commented on the attacks on the port in Odessa. The head of the country attributed them to the Russian armed forces and accused Moscow of intending to disrupt the deal to export grain from Ukraine. “This (a blow attributed to Russia - note by Lenty.ru ) indicates only one thing: no matter what Russia says and promises, it will find ways not to fulfill it,” Zelensky said.

Representative of the UN Secretary General Farhan Haq also pointed out that the attack near the port of Odessa jeopardizes the agreements regarding the export of grain from Ukraine. According to him, grain is now an essential raw material for "overcoming the global food crisis and alleviating the suffering of millions of people around the world."

On July 22, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey and the UN signed an agreement on the export of Ukrainian grain through the Black Sea. Grain from Ukraine will be exported from three ports - Odessa, Chernomorsk and Yuzhny - along safe corridors. They will contain only those vessels that "can ensure the export of grain and related foodstuffs and fertilizers." Vessels will be searched for weapons, warships and aircraft will not be able to approach them without permission.
The course of the special operation in the Odessa region
On July 20, the Russian Armed Forces destroyed a US-made Harpoon missile launcher in the Odessa region. On the same day, the Russian military attacked the place of temporary deployment of the 35th Marine Brigade in the village of Dachnoye, Odessa region, where reservists for the Armed Forces of Ukraine were being trained. Then more than 200 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed, as well as over 10 units of foreign military equipment.

On July 12, the Russian Ministry of Defense showed on video the destruction of American Harpoon launchers near the village of Berezan by high-precision Iskander ground-based missiles . The video that appears shows the moment of impact on the installations. On July 8, the military department also reported on the destruction of sea-based weapons of installations of the Harpoon coastal missile system, which were produced in the UK. It was emphasized that at that time the targets were hit in the area of the village of Liman near Odessa.

Also, the head of the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation , Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev , reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had deployed artillery, armored vehicles and multiple launch rocket systems near a school in Odessa.
The Turkish Defense Ministry said that the Russian Federation was not involved in the shelling of Odessa
Russia is not involved in the shelling of the port of Odessa. This was stated by Turkish Minister of National Defense Hulusi Akar.

“When communicating with Russia, which took place today on Saturday, she stated that she had nothing to do with the attack. They are carefully investigating the incident, ”the Turkish military department quotes the minister on Twitter.

Earlier, the Ukrainian media announced that the Russian Armed Forces had fired rockets at the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the port of Odessa. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not report this in its daily report.

Türkiye ’concerned’ after missile attack on Odessa port
The fact that an incident like this happened after the agreement we made yesterday... really makes us concerned," Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said.

'Russia denies any attack on Odessa,' the minister added.

Russian missiles struck Ukraine’s key Black Sea port of Odessa on July 23, Ukrainian officials said.

Two cruise missiles hit terminal infrastructure, regional authorities said on social media, casting a shadow over the landmark agreement hammered out over months of negotiations aimed at relieving a global food crisis caused by stalled deliveries that sent wheat prices tumbling.

The first major accord between the countries since the February invasion of Ukraine aims to ease the "acute hunger" that the United Nations says faces an additional 47 million people because of the war.

"The enemy attacked the Odessa sea port with Kalibr cruise missiles. Two of the missiles were shot down by air defences. Two hit port infrastructure," Sergiy Bratchuk, a representative of the Odessa region said in a statement on social media.

The hostility between Moscow and Kyiv had spilled over into Friday’s signing ceremony in Istanbul - delayed briefly by disputes about the display of flags around the table and Ukraine’s refusal to put its name on the same document as the Russians.

Ukraine had entered the ceremony by bluntly warning that it would conduct "an immediate military response" should Russia violate the agreement and attack its ships or stage an incursion around its ports.
 

printer

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Türkiye ’concerned’ after missile attack on Odessa port
Türkiye said it was "concerned" by Russian strikes on the Ukrainian port of Odessa on July 22, a day after Moscow and Kyiv penned a deal sponsored by Ankara and the U.N. to resume grain exports.

"The fact that an incident like this happened after the agreement we made yesterday... really makes us concerned," Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said.

'Russia denies any attack on Odessa,' the minister added.

Russian missiles struck Ukraine’s key Black Sea port of Odessa on July 23, Ukrainian officials said.

Two cruise missiles hit terminal infrastructure, regional authorities said on social media, casting a shadow over the landmark agreement hammered out over months of negotiations aimed at relieving a global food crisis caused by stalled deliveries that sent wheat prices tumbling.

The first major accord between the countries since the February invasion of Ukraine aims to ease the "acute hunger" that the United Nations says faces an additional 47 million people because of the war.

"The enemy attacked the Odessa sea port with Kalibr cruise missiles. Two of the missiles were shot down by air defences. Two hit port infrastructure," Sergiy Bratchuk, a representative of the Odessa region said in a statement on social media.

The hostility between Moscow and Kyiv had spilled over into Friday’s signing ceremony in Istanbul - delayed briefly by disputes about the display of flags around the table and Ukraine’s refusal to put its name on the same document as the Russians.

Ukraine had entered the ceremony by bluntly warning that it would conduct "an immediate military response" should Russia violate the agreement and attack its ships or stage an incursion around its ports.


'Türkiye determined to continue diplomatic efforts'
The two sides eventually inked separate but identical agreements in the presence Antonio Guterres and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan at Istanbul’s Dolmabahçe Palace.

'Türkiye will make substantial contribution to overcoming global food crisis in coming days, with shipment of grain,' President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on July 23 in a ceremony.

Türkiye is determined to continue diplomatic efforts until peace is established between Russia and Ukraine, he added.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the responsibility for enforcing the deal would fall to the U.N., which along with Turkey is a co-guarantor of the agreement.

The agreement includes points on running Ukrainian grain ships along safe corridors that avoid known mines in the Black Sea.

Huge quantities of wheat and other grain have been blocked in Ukrainian ports by Russian warships and landmines Kyiv has laid to avert a feared amphibious assault.

Zelensky said that around 20 million tonnes of produce from last year’s harvest and the current crop would be exported under the agreement, estimating the value of Ukraine’s grain stocks at around $10 billion.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told Kremlin state media he expected the deal to start working "in the next few days" although diplomats expect grain to only start fully flowing by mid-August.

The United States, Britain and the European Union hailed the Istanbul agreement while urging Moscow to abide by its rules.

Global alarm about grain has been accompanied by European fears that Russia is starting to use its stranglehold on energy exports as a geopolitical weapon in its standoff with the West.

The grain deal was signed one day after Russia’s restart of the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline eased concerns in Europe of a permanent shut off after a 10-day maintenance suspension.

Analysts say the partial resumption of gas supplies was insufficient to ward off energy shortages in Europe this winter.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Better to outlive them than nuclear war. Doing what we are but more of it. A total blockade, ten times the equipment to Ukraine. The problem with the majority of the population does not want to feel the economic pain.

Russia will allow grain shipments. But they will not stop the war including on Odessa. So who will commit their ships to move grain if there is a possibility of the ship 'accidentally' being hit. Nato should set up convoys and declare Odessa off limits to attack. Do this through the UN but do it fast.
Strangle them to death seems to be the plan and keep sanctions on as long as we can. A slow and steady grinding down of their capabilities appears to be the plan with a gradual escalation of the weapons supplied. The test of nukes will come when the Ukrainians attack Crimea, the choke point at the entrance would be the logical place, after the Kerch bridge is blown and they take the south of the country back.

If the plan is to start pounding the Russians hard, it would be best in terms of American politics, if it were begun before the election. HIMARS is making a big difference and Ukrainian daily casualties have fallen to low double digits as the Russian rate of fire has fallen way off.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I saw a video and the number of dead was in the very low double digits, mostly the result of destroying their ammo dumps with HIMARS and by killing plenty of Russians. They are also getting plenty of other shit like more artillery, tanks and AA defense systems. There some talk about planes, but I dunno if that would be wise, the Russian's practically have no effective air force in Ukraine anyway. If they go for Crimea things could get ugly and it might be prudent to wait for and drive political instability in Russia first and do it when they change leadership. I dunno if Vlad will risk Armageddon over Crimea, using nukes against a non nuclear power would be the point of no return for them and a nuclear armed Ukraine. The eastern Europeans would go nuts and any remaining gas lines into Europe from Russia would be destroyed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Keep the sanctions on and keep chewing up Vlad's army in Ukraine, others sense the growing Russian military and economic disaster and are taking advantage. Sweden and Finland didn't fear immediate attack and joined NATO, others are asserting their independence too. Give Vlad more than one war to worry about and Belarus is the logical choice, I think the Poles are heavily supporting the Belarussians in Ukraine, they seem very well equipped.


Broken Alliance: Is Kazakhstan Turning Their Back on Putin?
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Zel is showing the stress, he needs a break, a weekend off, but a man of conscience would have trouble doing that with his troops in the field getting killed and wounded. He meets them and looks them in the eye everyday and his job is to work himself to death to make sure they get them what they need. I dunno if you could ask more from a leader, than Zel is delivering and he is reporting to the people almost daily.

He has had 150 days of war and the White house staff were "drained" trying to control Trump for an afternoon on Jan 6th... Leadership


The Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing step by step in the Kherson region – Zelenskyy
8,257 views Jul 24, 2022 President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy in his address said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing step by step in the Kherson region. Volodymyr Zelenskyy also talked about the cynicism of the Russian missile attack on the city of Odesa and the seaport on July 23rd. ‘If anyone in the world could still say that some kind of dialogue with Russia, some kind of agreement is needed, see what is happening. The Russian Kalibr missiles have destroyed the very possibility for such statements,’ President Zelenskyy said. Volodymyr Zelenskyy also said that on July 23rd the second annual Summit of First Ladies and Gentlemen took place in Kyiv. This is the initiative of the First Lady of Ukraine that in two years actually became a traditional format – unique for the world community, President noted.
 
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