Nutes not mixing with water

MAK1

Member
Yeah and better quality than most salt based fertilizers I've tried. The Maxibloom/Megacrop/Jacks guys are going to say its too expensive.
The nice thing about RAW is you get the separate minerals that allow people to go off the charts when their plants needs individual minerals rather than the shotgun approach. Second, RAW minerals are not nitrated like many liquid mixes.Sure, we can add LAB to help convert the nitrate to nitrite or use something else. I use nitrates in veg then stop early in flower. These plants do very well using urea and ammoniacal nitrogen like we find in Miracle Grow Plant Food. If I don't use nitrates do I need to flush off the extra?
 

twentyeight.threefive

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Yeah and better quality than most salt based fertilizers I've tried. The Maxibloom/Megacrop/Jacks guys are going to say its too expensive.
It’s too expensive.

Honestly who cares. If you like it buy whatever you want.

I’ve never had issues getting Jack’s to dissolve. I’m not sure what everyone with issues is doing wrong.
 

xtsho

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Yeah and better quality than most salt based fertilizers I've tried. The Maxibloom/Megacrop/Jacks guys are going to say its too expensive.
It's a rip off. I can but the same easily dissolving salts for a fraction of the price. Why would anyone pay $10 for a 2 oz bag of monoammonium phosphate when you can buy 2 pounds for $24?

You guys are getting fleeced. They don't make anything they just repackage chemicals that anyone can buy. There is nothing special about anything they sell. They just have some hack promoting their products and people that don't know any better buying them.
 

twentyeight.threefive

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It's a rip off. I can but the same easily dissolving salts for a fraction of the price. Why would anyone pay $10 for a 2 oz bag of monoammonium phosphate when you can buy 2 pounds for $24?

You guys are getting fleeced. They don't make anything they just repackage chemicals that anyone can buy. There is nothing special about anything they sell. They just have some hack promoting their products and people that don't know any better buying them.
Are you sure? The guy you are quoting grows commercially, I’m sure he knows what he’s talking about.
 

xtsho

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Are you sure? The guy you are quoting grows commercially, I’m sure he knows what he’s talking about.
I don't give a damn if they grow commercially. It's not a requirement that you know anything about chemical fertilizers to obtain a grow license. RAW is just repackaged chemicals. Anyone that knows anything about chemical fertilizers knows there is nothing special about their repackaged chemicals. The only thing different is the outrageous prices they charge. It's a complete joke. Just because they have Harley Smith schilling for them doesn't change the facts.
 

twentyeight.threefive

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I don't give a damn if they grow commercially. It's not a requirement that you know anything about chemical fertilizers to obtain a grow license. RAW is just repackaged chemicals. Anyone that knows anything about chemical fertilizers knows there is nothing special about their repackaged chemicals. The only thing different is the outrageous prices they charge. It's a complete joke. Just because they have Harley Smith schilling for them doesn't change the facts.
Yeah I don’t know. I think a guy growing commercially out of his basement probably knows more than some random internet dude. He’s says they’re better quality I think the whole forum should just take his word for it.
 

Tyblizzy

Member
Yeah I don’t know. I think a guy growing commercially out of his basement probably knows more than some random internet dude. He’s says they’re better quality I think the whole forum should just take his word for it.
Your missing the point. But hey they need people you. But you can do the same at a fraction of the price. It’s true you only have to understand the elements. N-P-K-C-M-S-b-fe-mn-zn-cu-mo. It’s pretty simple
 

rkymtnman

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Your missing the point. But hey they need people you. But you can do the same at a fraction of the price. It’s true you only have to understand the elements. N-P-K-C-M-S-b-fe-mn-zn-cu-mo. It’s pretty simple
you are missing 4.
 

twentyeight.threefive

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Your missing the point. But hey they need people you. But you can do the same at a fraction of the price. It’s true you only have to understand the elements. N-P-K-C-M-S-b-fe-mn-zn-cu-mo. It’s pretty simple
But hey they need people you?

I didn’t miss any point, it was a joke. What exactly do I need to understand about the elements?
 
But hey they need people you?

I didn’t miss any point, it was a joke. What exactly do I need to understand about the elements?
Hello Growmie- I have used RAW NPK in the past in both coco and RDWC. Used the single RAW ingredients (too tedious) and also the Parts A and B (flower/ grow). This cycle I switched to Jacks 3-2-1 only in RDWC. Quite frankly, I did not see any striking differences other these two:
Raw: mixing SO MANY single ingredients was tedious and created variances compared to mixing the RAW Part A and B for Veg/ Flower...but costly when mixing for 30 gallons...very costly...too costly.
Jack's: no issues-cheaper-but I will be adding Silica (left over from RAW ingredients) on next near grow for additional frost enhancements.
Overall I am sticking with Jacks based on my grow experience- Jack's has not failed me yet and the 3-2-1 is simple to mix as 1-2-3!
 

MAK1

Member
Hello Growmie- I have used RAW NPK in the past in both coco and RDWC. Used the single RAW ingredients (too tedious) and also the Parts A and B (flower/ grow). This cycle I switched to Jacks 3-2-1 only in RDWC. Quite frankly, I did not see any striking differences other these two:
Raw: mixing SO MANY single ingredients was tedious and created variances compared to mixing the RAW Part A and B for Veg/ Flower...but costly when mixing for 30 gallons...very costly...too costly.
Jack's: no issues-cheaper-but I will be adding Silica (left over from RAW ingredients) on next near grow for additional frost enhancements.
Overall I am sticking with Jacks based on my grow experience- Jack's has not failed me yet and the 3-2-1 is simple to mix as 1-2-3!
The nice thing about RAW is you get the separate minerals that allow people to go off the charts when their plants needs individual minerals rather than the shotgun approach. Second, RAW minerals are not nitrated like many liquid mixes.Sure, we can add LAB to help convert the nitrate to nitrite or use something else. I use nitrates in veg then stop early in flower. These plants do very well using urea and ammoniacal nitrogen like we find in Miracle Grow Plant Food. If I don't use nitrates do I need to flush off the extra?
The nice thing about RAW is you get the separate minerals that allow people to go off the charts when their plants needs individual minerals rather than the shotgun approach. Second, RAW minerals are not nitrated like many liquid mixes.Sure, we can add LAB to help convert the nitrate to nitrite or use something else. I use nitrates in veg then stop early in flower. These plants do very well using urea and ammoniacal nitrogen like we find in Miracle Grow Plant Food. If I don't use nitrates do I need to flush off the extra?
Oh WOW. I can't believe I said this. It's mostly wrong. Oh so wrong. I have used Miracle Grow (totally soluble) and Super Phosphate Ureas. Better only in the beginning to allow time to process into nitrates.

The most important thing is to add salt to the pasta water but this does not raise the waters temperature. It is to flavor the pasta.
 

max420thc

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This only started happening during mid flower. In the picture you can see a white circle those are the minerals/salts not mixing in with the water. I'm using tap(soft) water and GH nutes and the feed schedule on back of bottle and I'm using cal mag and I stopped silica after the stretch. Why does that happen some of my plants leaves look horrible. Oh I'm growing in a 5 gal bucket dwc
Normally if i come to this shit show of a site I say very little. If you are using city water it is not uncommon for city water supplies to have excessive salt in the water, it can mix with the nutrients (all salt base) bond together and separate out of the water to the bottom. Try getting getting some decent water or try to filter the water. The salt separation can also screw up your plants , one of my grows had a problem with GH salt based nutrients separating like that, the water is city water with 600 PPM of sodium in it before we even start. Good luck
 

twentyeight.threefive

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Normally if i come to this shit show of a site I say very little. If you are using city water it is not uncommon for city water supplies to have excessive salt in the water, it can mix with the nutrients (all salt base) bond together and separate out of the water to the bottom. Try getting getting some decent water or try to filter the water. The salt separation can also screw up your plants , one of my grows had a problem with GH salt based nutrients separating like that, the water is city water with 600 PPM of sodium in it before we even start. Good luck
Exactly what kind of salt is commonly excessive? Like NaCl?
 
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