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Horselover fat

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DIY-HP-LED

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Yes, all objectives on the island completed and retreat is a show of good will :D:D:D

"The Russian Armed Forces, as a step of goodwill, completed the tasks set on Zmeiny Island and withdrew the garrison stationed there - Russian Defense Ministry"

I'm sure getting the shit pounded out of them by artillery might have had something to do with it. They were in M777 range from the shore and it looks like the Ukrainians moved a gun or two into position.

Congratulations on NATO membership, welcome to the club, though I figure when the Ukrainians are done with the Russians they won't be much of a threat, except if they go nuts and use nukes. Every tank and BMP the Ukrainians destroy is one less we have to worry about and they won't be replacing them anytime soon while under sanctions. A long war will keep the Germans from running back to Vlad with open wallets and force them to seek alternatives. The eastern Europeans and the UK want the Russian army destroyed, so do the Americans and Canada too. Nobody is talking about all the gas and oil Ukraine is sitting on though, but I'm certain it is a factor in their fast EU membership.
 

injinji

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https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/rouble-rises-towards-50-vs-dollar-first-time-since-may-2015-2022-06-29/

they've been artificially keeping the ruble jacked up for a couple of months now, there was no chance they could do it for an extended period of time. it will crash soon, and it will leave a pretty big crater when it does. if they intend to keep doing it, they'll have to cut spending by their states, which will be highly unpopular with the people.
by this time next year, you'll need a 5 gallon bucket of rubles to buy a potato
They are putting lots of pressure on companies to not lay anyone off. The folks who bought McDonalds agreed to keep everyone on the payroll for at least two years. It's all going to show itself soon.
 

husita

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Thanks for remembering me. His most beloved place is called "Konopište", which could be translated like "place, where canabis is grown". He was a pasionte hunter, amount of animals he killed is unbeliavable, finely someone hounted him. He was also very modern, if he had replaced FJI as the astrian-hungary emperor, he would prabably made a federation, the empire would not be divided and then be a strong oposition to Prusians-Germans. WWII would probably never begin. What a pity, history went different way. This guy remains underestimated.

Konopiště – Wikipedie (wikipedia.org)
 

injinji

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@jscratch, your guys are doing great. At killing women and children anyway. Shopping centers and housing block across the country are within their reach. It is possible they were trying to hit something else. They are not great at aiming, so it's hard to say with any degree of certainty.

 

Roger A. Shrubber

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not much to spare? They initially used a grand total of 5 percent of their army and are now at 15%
you read numbers, and then quit reading....
russia uses their military as an internal police force, they use them as fire fighting brigades, they have multiple borders they consider hostile, they're still involved in Syria, Georgia, Moldova...they cannot just use all their troops in Ukraine without leaving themselves open and unprotected on multiple fronts, and the extremely paranoid putin is not going to let that happen. he insists on keeping a large contingent free to defend against NATO if they attack.
they had about 900K actual soldiers, with well over half of them being short term draftees who get shitty training.
2 months ago, the U.K. estimated that at least 15000 russian troops had been killed. traditionally, the rate of wounded too badly to continue to fight has been at least 200% of deaths...that means that 2 months ago, the russians had effectively lost at least 45000 fighters, and they have a very limited pool to draw reinforcements from. what have they lost in the intervening 2 months? at least another 5000 dead, and ten thousand wounded too badly to fight. that brings the tally up to at least 60 thousand russians out of the fight, while the Ukrainians continue to get new volunteers on a daily basis, continue to have more troops trained by NATO in the new weapon systems they're being given....
and that is the conservative numbers...Ukraine claims twice that amount dead...if that is true, then that's over 120,000 russians out of the fight. if you split the difference, it's still 90,000....i'll be conservative, and call it 75,000 dead or disabled russians, in less than 5 months.
sounds like gross incompetence on the part of their leadership to me...
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printer

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Why? Are you gonna suddenly be like, " oh ok yes you're right."


No you're not, so why bother. A Google search will reveal it to you but im not wasting time
Because I have tried to get a ballpark number that is not based on conjecture. You gave numbers on how much skin Russia has in the game, I really want to know. I have used google translation, asking questions in Russian to figure out how many wounded and killed, how much equipment got destroyed and my lack of knowledge of the language has me hitting a roadblock.

My question is where you get your numbers from, quite simple question as compared to my searching and not coming up with something I have much faith in. Figured you could help me out.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Because I have tried to get a ballpark number that is not based on conjecture. You gave numbers on how much skin Russia has in the game, I really want to know. I have used google translation, asking questions in Russian to figure out how many wounded and killed, how much equipment got destroyed and my lack of knowledge of the language has me hitting a roadblock.

My question is where you get your numbers from, quite simple question as compared to my searching and not coming up with something I have much faith in. Figured you could help me out.
i am guessing...the russians claim 1300 dead, and about twice that wounded, which is a ridiculously low figure. the Ukrainians claim over 30,000 dead, with up to another 65-70,000 wounded, which seems suspiciously high to me. various estimates from different European and U.S. officials and retired high ranking officers put it anywhere between 13-20,000 dead, with about twice that many wounded and out of action.
i'm pretty sure we're not going to get a very accurate count out of anyone until it's all over, so i just try to split the difference, average between russia's low numbers and Ukraine's high numbers, with the various estimates shading higher or lower...right now i'm figuring the actual number should be something like 20k dead and 40k out of the fight, in 5 months. They were involved in Afghanistan for 9 years and lost 15,000 men...they lost 138 men a month in Afghanistan...they're losing 4,000 a month in Ukraine if you only count the dead, if you throw in the heavily wounded, they're losing 12,000 men a month.
 

printer

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Maybe the war (sorry, Special Operation) may need funds to keep the war machine going.
The Russian government has requested the right to special measures during operations abroad
The Cabinet of Ministers submitted to the State Duma a draft law on ensuring the conduct of operations by the Russian Armed Forces (AF) abroad. The corresponding document was published in the Duma electronic database.

According to the bill, the Cabinet will be able to introduce special measures in the economic sphere to ensure the conduct of operations of the Russian Armed Forces outside the country.

“In the conditions of conducting counter-terrorist and other operations by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies outside the territory of the Russian Federation, in particular a special military operation in the territories of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Luhansk People’s Republic and Ukraine, there is a short-term increased need for the repair of weapons and military equipment and provision of material and technical means, ”the explanatory note says.

To do this, the authors of the bill continued, it is necessary to temporarily focus on certain sectors of the economy, especially in the context of the imposition of sanctions against Russian citizens and legal entities. These measures may include additional loading of production capacities of enterprises that belong to the military-industrial complex, as well as the formation of government orders to ensure supplies to the Russian Armed Forces.

The Russian Special Operation in Ukraine (SVO) began on February 24, 2022. Thus, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin , Russia responded to requests for military assistance from the heads of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DNR and LNR).


Russia withdrew the garrison from Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill
Russia has withdrawn its troops from Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill, the Defense Ministry said.

"Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not interfere with the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine," the ministry noted.

They also stressed that such a step would deprive Kiev of the opportunity to speculate on the problem of the food crisis, hiding behind the "impossibility" of exporting grain due to the control of Russian troops.

The ministry added that now, in order to resume supplies, the Ukrainian side must clear the Black Sea coast , off its coast, including port waters

The UN has repeatedly stated the threat of a food crisis due to a shortage of grain, the West accused Russia of counteracting the supply of Ukrainian grain to world markets, Moscow categorically rejected such accusations. At the same time, the Kiev authorities themselves created many obstacles to export: in addition to the arson of grain that was revealed in the Mariupol port, the Armed Forces of Ukraine mined some areas of the Black Sea , which does not allow grain to be transported to world markets by ships.

President Vladimir Putin said that Russia does not prevent the export of grain from Ukraine , if Kiev clears the ports of mines, ships with grain will be able to leave without any problems.

No mention of the ship sinking or the shelling of the island.
 

BudmanTX

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Maybe the war (sorry, Special Operation) may need funds to keep the war machine going.
The Russian government has requested the right to special measures during operations abroad
The Cabinet of Ministers submitted to the State Duma a draft law on ensuring the conduct of operations by the Russian Armed Forces (AF) abroad. The corresponding document was published in the Duma electronic database.

According to the bill, the Cabinet will be able to introduce special measures in the economic sphere to ensure the conduct of operations of the Russian Armed Forces outside the country.

“In the conditions of conducting counter-terrorist and other operations by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies outside the territory of the Russian Federation, in particular a special military operation in the territories of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Luhansk People’s Republic and Ukraine, there is a short-term increased need for the repair of weapons and military equipment and provision of material and technical means, ”the explanatory note says.

To do this, the authors of the bill continued, it is necessary to temporarily focus on certain sectors of the economy, especially in the context of the imposition of sanctions against Russian citizens and legal entities. These measures may include additional loading of production capacities of enterprises that belong to the military-industrial complex, as well as the formation of government orders to ensure supplies to the Russian Armed Forces.

The Russian Special Operation in Ukraine (SVO) began on February 24, 2022. Thus, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin , Russia responded to requests for military assistance from the heads of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DNR and LNR).


Russia withdrew the garrison from Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill
Russia has withdrawn its troops from Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill, the Defense Ministry said.

"Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not interfere with the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine," the ministry noted.

They also stressed that such a step would deprive Kiev of the opportunity to speculate on the problem of the food crisis, hiding behind the "impossibility" of exporting grain due to the control of Russian troops.

The ministry added that now, in order to resume supplies, the Ukrainian side must clear the Black Sea coast , off its coast, including port waters

The UN has repeatedly stated the threat of a food crisis due to a shortage of grain, the West accused Russia of counteracting the supply of Ukrainian grain to world markets, Moscow categorically rejected such accusations. At the same time, the Kiev authorities themselves created many obstacles to export: in addition to the arson of grain that was revealed in the Mariupol port, the Armed Forces of Ukraine mined some areas of the Black Sea , which does not allow grain to be transported to world markets by ships.

President Vladimir Putin said that Russia does not prevent the export of grain from Ukraine , if Kiev clears the ports of mines, ships with grain will be able to leave without any problems.

No mention of the ship sinking or the shelling of the island.
over course not....they were pretty much driven off that island, target #1 for shelling and drones.....

and now they're looking for money, hey Duma, talk to pooty heck he's 4.3 billion in the bank....then again with sanctions.....meh
 
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