Not Your Father's Marijuana and other myths

[fdd2blk]

I'd rather be silly and interpret something correctly than be an smart ass and interpret it incorrectly.

He meant 'we' interpret it as a 'gateway to enlightenment' the government see it as a 'gateway to other drugs'.

I really don't see the relevance of how 'we' see something, when the discussion topic was about how the government 'sees something', and one of those things is that Canna leads to harder drugs hence it's a 'gateway' drug as viewed by the government.

Switch your brain on.

blah, blah, blah. i'm stoned.

 

[mogie]

Giggle, giggle me too.

They had too many words in there posts. Don't like lots of words when I'm blazed.

 

[fdd2blk]

cannbis will never be legal because it is a gateway drug. the true breeds that are landraces from the good ol days will never be realized if pot was legal. these tobacco and alcohol companies will find the cheapiest way to grow and transport the shit, full of chemicals, pesticides and preservatives to a processing plant with more added chemicals to prep the goods. cancer, health problems, i personally would rather it stay illegal and everyone be oblivious to the laws. to think that this wonderful plant is illegal because the governtment doesnt "KNOW" whats good about it is BS!. they know it is a gateway drug, the gateway to enlightenment and peace/ ras dafari says it is the vehicle that we use to travel. the governtment knows what this holy plant is good, their system works because the majority are brainwashed uneducated beasts, not freethinking pot heads of nature! pot is dangerous because it causes you to question your governtment, simple as that. tell the truth about hemp!

need i say it again. and i'm still high.

 

[mogie]

Gee did pot cause that poor guy to lose his ability to spell and stuff...lol

Wouldn't call that an educated and compelling argument.

 

[mogie]

And I'm stoned.

 

[babygro]

need i say it again. and i'm still high.

No, you don't need to say it again, you need to read it again and this time take some notice of grammar and where the full stops are. Here, I'll help you as you're still stoned, here's the relevant section and please, take notice of where the sentences end.

"cannbis will never be legal because it is a gateway drug. the true breeds that are landraces from the good ol days will never be realized if pot was legal. these tobacco and alcohol companies will find the cheapiest way to grow and transport the shit, full of chemicals, pesticides and preservatives to a processing plant with more added chemicals to prep the goods. cancer, health problems, i personally would rather it stay illegal and everyone be oblivious to the laws."

That section refers to the standard reference and meaning of the term 'gateway drug', which is that it leads on to harder drugs.

It's the second section where he puts his 'own' spin on the term 'gateway drug' and uses it in a different context to the way he used the first one, and gives a second interpretation - his own interpretation of the meaning of it.

End of English Grammar 101.

 

[fdd2blk]

No, you don't need to say it again, you need to read it again and this time take some notice of grammar and where the full stops are. Here, I'll help you as you're still stoned, here's the relevant section and please, take notice of where the sentences end.

"cannbis will never be legal because it is a gateway drug. the true breeds that are landraces from the good ol days will never be realized if pot was legal. these tobacco and alcohol companies will find the cheapiest way to grow and transport the shit, full of chemicals, pesticides and preservatives to a processing plant with more added chemicals to prep the goods. cancer, health problems, i personally would rather it stay illegal and everyone be oblivious to the laws."

That section refers to the standard reference and meaning of the term 'gateway drug', which is that it leads on to harder drugs.

It's the second section where he puts his 'own' spin on the term 'gateway drug' and uses it in a different context to the way he used the first one, and gives a second interpretation - his own interpretation of the meaning of it.

End of English Grammar 101.

i'm missing the part where "harder drugs" comes in. and i understood NOTHING you said. your rambling. remember i'm high. little words, short sentences. thank you.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

The whole 'gateway' thing has been disproven over and over. It's nothing but anti-drug-zealot propaganda. If there IS any 'gateway' drug, it's more likely to be tobacco smoking than anything else. The vast majority of cannabis users don't go on to use of cocaine, heroin, etc. but cannabis users are known to use other drugs occasionally due to the fact that drug dealers, those folks who are in it only to turn a buck, usually don't sell just cannabis.

Get rid of the black market and poly-use will become a lot less frequent, IMNSFHO.

 

[ViRedd]

Hey, that part about pot being 1000-x's more potent today is no bullshit. A friend brought some of that "new" stuff over the other night. We didn't smoke any ... didn't need to. All we did was look at it and we were stoned to the bone for hours! I mean, that shit is dangerous just to have in the neighborhood. ~lol~

I love to run across people who drink alcohol but also put down pot smokers. I always tell them: Yeppers, I love to drink alcohol too. I just love the way it makes me get angry and all pissed off. I love the way it makes me want to fight even though I can't control myself ... and get my teeth bashed in. Yep, that's lots of fun. Then there are the REAL fun times when I just get real sloppy at parties, vomit all over myself, try to screw my brother's wife and end up passed out with my head in the toilet. But the real fun part of being an alcohol drinker is the day you go to the doctor, look at the Xrays, and the Doc says: "your liver has died."
Yeppers ... alcohol is a GREAT drug. ~lol~

Vi

 

[Kuji]

I don't think it makes a difference, fact is a 1/4 OZ of standard marijuana back then(whatever that may be) is still a helluva lot weaker than a 1/4 OZ today. It doesn't even matter if the weed was the strongest back in the 60's and 70's, if it's cut to shit it still has less thc/per weight.

 

[ViRedd]

Good stuff Al B, pretty much agree with all of that.

If anything the bud grown in the 1970's was more 'psychoactive' that the stuff generally grown today under indoor lights. A lot of the bud being grown outdoors in the 70's was landrace Thai's, Indian, Nepalese, Pakistani, Columbian and Mexican true breeding lines and many were pure Sativas. Much of the weed smoked at that time was imported into the country from the natural habitat of the plants and particularly Columbian and Mexican strains were very prevalent at that time. There's nothing more 'psychoactive' than pure bred landrace Sativas flowered outside in hot climates where the resin spheres are fully 'realised' by the large quantities of UVB photons that exist out in nature in thosr parts of the world.

Some of the shit smoked back then is some of the best shit the worlds ever seen.

Compare that with todays homegrown offerings, grown under lights in artificial environments with no UVB exposure for full THC realisation, being force fed large quantities nasty chemical nutrients often at toxic levels. We use heavily inbred hybridised seed strains from Holland often bred only using 3 well tried and tested strain variations that have been raised and bred inside under artificial lights.

Is it any wonder that these 'homogenised' plants, often bred for high THC levels are a poor imitation of the shit being smoked in the 70's?

Modern breeding is breeding out evolutionary traits such as full THC realisation from strains and varieties that are bred and developed almost soley under artificial lights - the genes and chromosomes responsible for the "full THC realisation" probably a plant defence mechanism to protect the seed bract, are simply not required by the plant any more because of the lack of UVB to protect itself against.

How people can claim that todays THC and "Super Skunk" strains that supposedly contain these high levels of THC are more potent that stuff being smoked in the 70's I really have no idea.

I couldn't agree with this post more. I smoked some Mexican weed back in the 1972 that was grown in a vacant lot behind a friend's house in San Diego. He threw some seeds over the fence, one sprouted and grew. He laid an ounce on me ... and all I can say is WOWIE! That shit was like smoking mescaline ... cartoon world abounded! My buddy and I smoked it all up and of course we didn't save any seeds. I would give $1000. for a cutting of that right now ... maybe more ... a lot more.

Vi

 

[medicineman]

I'll still put my two favorite strains up against any now on the market, Panama Red and Cambodian Red. The deal is, it aint the amount of THC in the plant but what the whole effect of the strain does to your mind, Those two and white Nepolese temple Hash were the best Highs in my life, and that was thirty years ago. I've tried to find a pure Panama Red strain but it isn't available in the US. My Viet-Nam experience let me experience Cambodian Red a real close second to Panama red., Acapulco gold. Oaxacan, Michjuacan, Columbian gold, columbian red, Zacatecas, All good and tasty strains, grown from Mother earth with good old cow poop, au Natural. God those were the days, Good mexican for 50.00 a kilo and the primo tops for 75-100.00. Yeah, that's before Mexicans got wise and srarted selling by the pound, yup, the gringos fucked that up too.

 

[VTXDave]

Good mexican for 50.00 a kilo and the primo tops for 75-100.00. Yeah, that's before Mexicans got wise and srarted selling by the pound, yup, the gringos fucked that up too.

I don't remember that, but I do remember getting good "4 finger lids" for 10 bucks.

 

[VTXDave]

Acapulco gold. Oaxacan, Michjuacan, Columbian gold, columbian red, Zacatecas, All good and tasty strains

"No stems no seeds that you don't need, Acapulco Gold is (inhale) badass weed."

 

[medicineman]

I don't remember that, but I do remember getting good "4 finger lids" for 10 bucks.

That's what I used to sell them for. 10 bucks an oz and 34 OZs in a Kilo. That was good profit in them days. Actually you'd get about 28 OZs after you took out the big stems, Used to break open a Kilo in the bathtub, A little duct tape over the drain, and Viola, the perfect container. My buddy was an importer and he had a place in sunset beach. Used to back a van up to the garage in the middle of the night and unload. I've seen kilos stacked to the cieling in that garage. I've helped him unload many a times. He had a guy that drove it in from the border, That was the days before all the border security they have now. I think he was paying around 25.00 a key, he was kind of secretive about cost.

 

[ViRedd]

I think those great strains were all pure Sativas. So hard to grow indoors because of the finishing height and the long finishing times. Outdoors ... not cost effective either.

Vi

 

[Bookworm]

Good stuff Al B, pretty much agree with all of that.

If anything the bud grown in the 1970's was more 'psychoactive' that the stuff generally grown today under indoor lights.

There's nothing more 'psychoactive' than pure bred landrace Sativas flowered outside in hot climates where the resin spheres are fully 'realised' by the large quantities of UVB photons that exist out in nature in thosr parts of the world.



Compare that with todays homegrown offerings, grown under lights in artificial environments with no UVB exposure for full THC realisation, being force fed large quantities nasty chemical nutrients often at toxic levels. We use heavily inbred hybridised seed strains from Holland often bred only using 3 well tried and tested strain variations that have been raised and bred inside under artificial lights.

"full THC realisation" probably a plant defence mechanism to protect the seed bract, are simply not required by the plant any more because of the lack of UVB to protect itself against.

now, I have zero experience in the matter of growing marijuana (other than having seen one closet grow, that I'm pretty sure failed) but I am a bookworm. (duh) And I happen to have around 10 years experience with reptiles. UVA/UVB is VERY important to healthy show-quality reptiles.

ta da!

I know they're low-wattage, but look around some and you may find something more suited to your needs. These lamps emit almost no visible light, and focus purely on giving UVA/UVB lighting. How many watts you'd need of UV lighting for a successful grow escapes me, but maybe give it a shot. It's not too pricy.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Claiming weed has gotten stronger in recent years is akin to claiming modern beer is higher alcohol content than earlier years. There is no accounting for many variables between strains/brews. I believe that beer brewed in ancient Egypt was pretty potent.

 

[medicineman]

I remember it used to be about the strain. My favorite, Panama Red. You could laugh for hours, at nothing at all. Michxuacan (spelling) was a tasty bud also. I remember the first time I smoked it, man did it fuck me up. It was all about pride in growing. A friend went to the Acapulco fields and told me that the tenders of the fields lived in shelters among the plants.
We used to get Kilos wrapped in mexican newspapers, that was one way to tell where they were from, except christmas time when they came wrapped in christmas paper, that was the best. Ahh the good old days of youth.

 

[kronicsmurf]

bah its bullshit lies put out by the government. like i'd be so stupid as to believe them.