Not Your Father's Marijuana and other myths

r3tro99

Active Member
Im pretty sure weed has gotten stronger, i have this poster (from a hightimes i think) with pictures of bud from 1970's 80's 90's etc.. and its fucking hilarious how rank the early shit is lol, like the mexican n shit just looks terrible nd then they got the white rhino n shit up around 2000.. it just cant be the same xD the bud looks terrrible!!
Im sure there was good shit grown back then but the way they produce "stronger" strains nowadays is (i think) by finding the "perfect" mothers (which can take several years) and using those to produce seeds or to cross etc... Im assuming there wernt these worldwide seed banks trading clones / seeds back then... Science is amazing; 20 years ago if I'd told you we would be eating seedless watermelon you would probly laugh. Thats just my thoughts.
 
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Johnnyorganic

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Im pretty sure weed has gotten stronger, i have this poster (from a hightimes i think) with pictures of bud from 1970's 80's 90's etc.. and its fucking hilarious how rank the early shit is lol, like the mexican n shit just looks terrible nd then they got the white rhino n shit up around 2000.. it just cant be the same xD the bud looks terrrible!!
Im sure there was good shit grown back then but the way they produce "stronger" strains nowadays is (i think) by finding the "perfect" mothers (which can take several years) and using those to produce seeds or to cross etc... Im assuming there wernt these worldwide seed banks trading clones / seeds back then... Science is amazing; 20 years ago if I'd told you we would be eating seedless watermelon you would probly laugh. Thats just my thoughts.
The problem with the argument is that the detractors apply that statement to all cannabis and it simply is not true. Schwag is schwag. It has always been schwag and always will be.

I'm pretty sure they were growing good shit in Jamaica 100 years ago. Shit that would blow your mind today as it did then.

Growing methods and strains have improved without question. But to apply those innovations to all cannabis is ludicrous.
 

KillerWeed420

Well-Known Member
I'm hoping that Panama Red is what I've got some clones of. Got them a couple days ago from an old hippie who's been growing for 40 years. The difference between some of the old strains and the new strains is we get a lot more females now. Back in the old days is was a lot of stem and seeds and male mixed with female.
 

ViRedd

New Member
anybody got pics of what the old weed looked like, I'm guessing it looked like mex swagg,
No pics, but I can tell you that it WAS like schwag. Stems, seeds, green leaves, brown leaves, unmanicured ... it looked like shit, but it was the shits. :mrgreen:

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
No pics, but I can tell you that it WAS like schwag. Stems, seeds, green leaves, brown leaves, unmanicured ... it looked like shit, but it was the shits. :mrgreen:

Vi
Vi, did you ever get the real Thai sticks, the ones with buds wrapped around a bamboo stick with some jungle twine. Those things rocked, but Panama Red and Cambodian Red were my favorites. Mexican was of course, Acapulco gold, Zacatecas, and Oaxacan. The oaxacan was the kind that you'd light up a joint and the smoke would just explode from the end of the thing, awesome., I did smoke some schwag in lean times but since I was close to the importers, I rarely had to. BTW that Columbian gold that first came in was great, but they commercialized it towards the end and as dank said, more money in coke.
 

mrbuzzsaw

Well-Known Member
More than 95% of the THC in female cannabis plants is in resin trichomes on the buds with next to none by weight in the stems, fan leaves and seeds. This is why even female plants while immature have almost no THC. Smoking fan leaves from immature plants is thus a waste of time.

Interestingly, this uneven concentration of THC across the parts of the plant has given rise to one of the greatest drug-war myths about the strength of "modern super cannabis," also known as the "Not Your Father's Marijuana Myth."

In the 1960s and 70s, when you got a bag of weed, it contained all the stems, seeds and leaves the grower produced. The 'shake' contains almost no THC but still contributes weight to a bag of weed. If you remove all the shake, the THC measured by total weight goes WAY up. You didn't increase the potency at all- you just took some useless, inactive dead weight out of the sample.

Well, if you take most of the water out of beer, you get whiskey. :???:

In the mid-late 1980s and forward, users expressed a preference to buy only buds and no shake. Growers started leaving out the shake.

Unsurprisingly, the US DEA seizes a lot of weed. They test the THC content as a part of general police work. The DEA HAS recorded an increase in THC by weight over the years, but it's not due to any magical new strains of cannabis nor hydroponic growing- it's because growers only sell buds these days. The other stuff is composted.

So, when some moron in the press says there's some "new DANGEROUS super cannabis!!!" out there and they cite the DEA's seized dope data as their evidence, you know what's going on. DEA didn't find any 'super weed'- but they did successfully track a user preference trend!

Funnier yet is the drug-warriors' claim of "10-20-(insert hype figure here) times" stronger cannabis. If 1970s cannabis was about 7% THC by weight and it were magically made 20x stronger by subversive underground growers (dat's us), it'd contain 140% THC by weight. Huh? WTF? How could you have more than 100% of anything in this equation?

If you were able to retroactively test 1960s-70s samples and remove all the shake weight, you would find that it is almost exactly the same THC by weight as present day outdoor buds.

On a related topic, hydroponic growing is often thought to increase potency. Total myth. The THC content will be determined by the plant DNA. Indoor hydro and outdoor grown plants will come up nearly identical in THC % if the outdoor plants get ideal weather and guaranteed sufficient water and nutes. There's never a cloudy day in a grow room- that's the main difference. A plant will do its very best in perfect conditions; start taking away the optimal conditions one by one and you reduce the yield and potency accordingly. It's just a lot harder to present perfect conditions outdoors.

ya but if you drive a rusty nail through your hydro Stocks you are sure to get it to 150%
 

ccodiane

New Member
I was thinking that in previous decades, an important factor, possibly, for decreased potency in marijuana, overall, if it is true, could be explained by the prevalence of hemp, and, an insignificant number of indoor operations free from hemp pollen. In addition to hard to find pure seed stock, this might have a "dumbing down" effect on available seed sources. I did read your first post.:mrgreen: Just positing.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I rather doubt the notion of pollution of indoor strains with industrial hemp pollen. There'd be a lot more seedy indoor grows if this were true.

The hypothesis on the DEA's failure to correct old samples for inert leaf/seed/stem weight has got some legs. Several researchers like Dr Tod H. Mikuriya have referenced this idea.
 

ccodiane

New Member
Absolutely. I was talking about the pre-indoor revolution. Back in the day. It would be hard to keep your seed stock pure with all that shit flying around.

I can hardly believe the street value estimates they give. A bunch of immature plants, a few hundred, and they're talking tens of millions. I wish!
 

ccodiane

New Member
The selective breeding of marijuana for trichome count goes back as far as recorded history via the human affinity for hash consumption. The goods have been around for some time, I'm sure of it.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Absolutely. I was talking about the pre-indoor revolution. Back in the day. It would be hard to keep your seed stock pure with all that shit flying around.
Oh, OK, I see what you're talking about. Makes sense.
I can hardly believe the street value estimates they give. A bunch of immature plants, a few hundred, and they're talking tens of millions. I wish!
hahahahaha, yeah, 'cop prices' are truly a laugh. $5000 per plant? I fucking well WISH.

The goods have been around for some time, I'm sure of it.
About 5000 years that we know of!

Funny that the anti-drug wowsers are now trying to convince everyone that cannabis suddenly started causing psychosis & schizophrenia. It has had 5000 years to do that, hasn't yet. There's still no flood of 'cannabis induced psychosis' patients flooding the emergency rooms, wonder when the zero-tolerance liars are going to start parading fakers in front of ER docs to try to cover up this inconvenient truth.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
hah, you know, on the dark day that I get busted for growing weed, I've already planned to tell the judge that I did it because I am addicted... "Had to grow weed to pay the $6 per pack tax on the fags, yeronner!"

If that's not entrapment, I don't know what is.
 
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