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Horselover fat

Horselover fat

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Lucky Luke said:
Maybe they will when they have landlocked Ukraine?
Maybe the war would of already been over if America hadn't of used it as a Proxy war?
Maybe the war wouldn't of started if the elected leader Zelenskyy, did what he was elected to do?

Lots of ifs and maybes and that's why we love discussing them and the grey areas and even the propaganda.

Humans love fighting over invisible lines on a map. We scrub them out and redraw them all to often
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Your position is untenable, because it doesn't make sense. You either support Russian empire gobbling up countries at their will or you support independent countries' right to be independent. There really is no middle ground.


Edit: what is clear is that the war would not have started if russia had not started it.
 
Lucky Luke

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Horselover fat said:
Your position is untenable, because it doesn't make sense. You either support Russian empire gobbling up countries at their will or you support independent countries' right to be independent. There really is no middle ground.
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Ha! It doesnt matter what i support you will find fault with it!
I just like discussing war history and this one will be intriguing in a few years time when we know much more truth.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Horselover fat said:
We should let the Russians explain their side of the story too.
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ahh propaganda- so much on this thread.
We will but most of the reasons are already known. Japan's side was interesting well after WW2 isnt it? Australia's First nations is also coming to light after 200 bloody years.. and that's also very interesting. How white history taught that is criminal.
I want to learn more about the illegal takeover of Hawaii. i only just found out about that a few days ago. So that's interesting.
Hindsight is lovely.
 
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Horselover fat

Horselover fat

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Lucky Luke said:
Im not apologising for anything Russia did or is doing. Do i need to copy and paste again?
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Yet you keep on giving reasons why Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine and seem to get joy out of their military advances. If you indeed were against Russia invading Ukraine you would do neither of those things.


How much land should Finland give to Russians when if they decide Finland is a threat? I mean you would obviously be against Russia invading Finland, but not really.
 
Lucky Luke

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Horselover fat said:
Yet you keep on giving reasons why Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine and seem to get joy out of their military advances. If you indeed were against Russia invading Ukraine you would do neither of those things.


How much land should Finland give to Russians when if they decide Finland is a threat? I mean you would obviously be against Russia invading Finland, but not really.
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They HAVE invaded Ukraine. Talking about invisible lines on a map is just that. Its interesting is it not, like watching a chess match.
if you want to go back to the start of this thread i didnt think Russia would invade Ukraine. So maybe do some research on what i thought 4 months ago.
Finland is part of Nato so that's a completely different discussion (as is why Finland was granted Nato membership) and why would Russia invade Finland? Has invading armies gone across Finland to Invade Russia? Is Finland pat of Russian defence strategy?
 
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Horselover fat

Horselover fat

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Lucky Luke said:
They HAVE invaded Ukraine.
if you want to go back to the start of this thread i didnt think Russia would invade Ukraine. So maybe do some research on what i thought 4 months ago.
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Saying you are against the invasion and then saying Ukraine should just surrender to Russian invasion is uhm... Not being against invasion.

Lucky Luke said:
Finland is part of Nato so that's a completely different discussion (as is why Finland was granted Nato membership) and why would Russia invade Finland? Has invading armies gone across Finland to Invade Russia? Is Finland pat of Russian defence strategy?
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Finland is not in nato, and yes, Finland is obviously part of russian defence strategy.
 
Lucky Luke

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Horselover fat said:
Saying you are against the invasion and then saying Ukraine should just surrender to Russian invasion is uhm... Not being against invasion.



Finland is not in nato, and yes, Finland is obviously part of russian defence strategy.
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Just reality. Did i mention surrender?

oO i thought you were. Seems not and you have asked to join.
Does Finland fit the criteria for Nato membership?
 
Lucky Luke

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Finland should just stay neutral maybe..whos gunna trust it?

Finland participated in the Second World War initially in a defensive war against the Soviet Union, followed by another battle against the Soviet Union acting in concert with Nazi Germany and then finally fighting alongside the Allies against Germany.
You did look after your Jews though. Not many countries did that even when occupied.
 
Horselover fat

Horselover fat

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Lucky Luke said:
Just reality. Did i mention surrender?
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It's a strong implication they should surrender when you say they shouldn't be sold/given weapons to fight russia, and saying the war should be ended, yet no word about Russia leaving territory they invaded. What else would it mean?


Lucky Luke said:
oO i thought you were. Seems not and you have asked to join.
Does Finland fit the criteria for Nato membership?
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Yeah, after Russia launched a war on Ukraine we applied for Nato membership. This is pretty much the first occasion Finland could apply for membership and not worry too much about Russia launching an attack. There still were threats, but they obviously have no ability to expand the war atm and they know coming over the border would be much harder than in Ukraine. I must thank Ukraine army for destroying most of the 200th motorized rifle brigade though. They are usually situated near the Finnish border.
 
Lucky Luke

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Horselover fat said:
It's a strong implication they should surrender when you say they shouldn't be sold/given weapons to fight russia, and saying the war should be ended, yet no word about Russia leaving territory they invaded. What else would it mean?




Yeah, after Russia launched a war on Ukraine we applied for Nato membership. This is pretty much the first occasion Finland could apply for membership and not worry too much about Russia launching an attack. There still were threats, but they obviously have no ability to expand the war atm and they know coming over the border would be much harder than in Ukraine. I must thank Ukraine army for destroying most of the 200th motorized rifle brigade though. They are usually situated near the Finnish border.
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Didn't think i mentioned it.
War in Finland would be to hard.
Do you fit the criteria?
 
Lucky Luke

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Horselover fat said:
Sure. Turkey is playing difficult. Either because Erdogan is trying to blackmail the US or because he has an agreement with Putin. Makes me think we don't really need Nato, but then again we do need it.
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NATO might be more trouble than its worth. You just become a plaything of the US. Nice to have their security but how much do you sell your soul?
It shouldn't even be. Warsaw pact no longer exists.
NATO did not conduct any operation during the cold war though it was already in existence.NATO’s mandate initially was to protect its territories from any threat of the Warsaw Pact. After the 1949 agreement, NATO’s scope was expanded to cover peacekeeping and conflict resolutions.
 
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