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DIY-HP-LED

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It seems the Russians are gonna dive on the Moscow and try to recover some stuff, they will probably plant a lot of explosives and blow up the rest. Dunno if the Ukrainians will use it for target practice, they still have some testing on that new missile. It's a nice big fat juicy target and will have warships around it that can be sunk too. They might consider it a waste of time or a chance to train with those new harpoon anti ship missiles, since it seems to be in their range and they carry a big warhead.

It is a bad place for the Russians to dive, they are very vulnerable to shore and fast boat launched anti ship missiles of several different types. The salvage ship will be moored stationary and is subject to drone attacks too, the Moscow was their main naval air defense. I'd say most of their Black feet should be guarding the salvage operation and might present some opportunities, that close to Ukrainian controlled shores. If Vlad loses Crimea this summer, he loses all hope of recovering anything from the Moscow, but might have subs there to torpedo it. If they have to leave the wreck before they can recover shit, they will dump several tons of depth charges on it, if they still have them, or can make them from oil drums filled with explosives. Destroying it and scattering it over the bottom in pieces would make it easier for the Ukrainians to recover a lot of it though, not much burns under water.
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Putin Sends Flotilla To Salvage Moskva | Russia Desperate To Keep Ukraine Away From Warship Wreck?

 

CCGNZ

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anyone like that will be just as bad if not worse than putin. pretty much anyone sane fled the country already, and all that are now left are brain washed magat equivalents, and criminals looking to clean up during the chaos...
i guess that's not completely fair, someone is setting those fires, and i hope it's a large well organized group with a goal in mind, and the sense to not get caught
It's a perilous situation surely w/all the nukes Russia possesses,but common sense has to prevail in Russia,they are completely paranoid about the West,no one wants to invade Russia and all their satellite countries after WW2 couldn't wait to escape their grasp when the Soviet Union devolved,they need to put the past aside and get on w/modernizing their economy and improving living standards for ordinary Russians,their population is small and getting smaller,dreams of empire are a fools game for them. They have strengths in sciences and are not a completely backwards country and need to shed themselves of the authoritarian,propagandized,corrupt govt. that has them in a big rut.They need reform and honesty,truth sets you free,a more moderate leader,less geo-political ambition,and staying in their lane is the only way Russia can progress.
 

schuylaar

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Yeah but it adds an off flavor.

I think a high aluminum content is used in the filler of thermobaric devices. The aluminum flash delivers almost all the heat pulse.
It's also used in planes.. AL + H2O (gypsum) = molten = bang.

Where did my tip jar go?
 
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Friendly_Grower

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Friendly_Grower

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It seems the Russians are gonna dive on the Moscow and try to recover some stuff, they will probably plant a lot of explosives and blow up the rest. Dunno if the Ukrainians will use it for target practice, they still have some testing on that new missile. It's a nice big fat juicy target and will have warships around it that can be sunk too. They might consider it a waste of time or a chance to train with those new harpoon anti ship missiles, since it seems to be in their range and they carry a big warhead.

It is a bad place for the Russians to dive, they are very vulnerable to shore and fast boat launched anti ship missiles of several different types. The salvage ship will be moored stationary and is subject to drone attacks too, the Moscow was their main naval air defense. I'd say most of their Black feet should be guarding the salvage operation and might present some opportunities, that close to Ukrainian controlled shores. If Vlad loses Crimea this summer, he loses all hope of recovering anything from the Moscow, but might have subs there to torpedo it. If they have to leave the wreck before they can recover shit, they will dump several tons of depth charges on it, if they still have them, or can make them from oil drums filled with explosives. Destroying it and scattering it over the bottom in pieces would make it easier for the Ukrainians to recover a lot of it though, not much burns under water.
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Putin Sends Flotilla To Salvage Moskva | Russia Desperate To Keep Ukraine Away From Warship Wreck?


HA HA!

They have to get to it before the USA does!
What do you want to bet that the USA already has a unit on the task!
 
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JamieThePainter

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Can't help but think that Ukraine would stand a better chance of beating the Russians if they concentrated their shelling on Russian forces instead of Russian towns and Ukrainian people, all while hiring thousands of crisis actors to promote their propaganda that the Russians are doing evil things.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's a perilous situation surely w/all the nukes Russia possesses,but common sense has to prevail in Russia,they are completely paranoid about the West,no one wants to invade Russia and all their satellite countries after WW2 couldn't wait to escape their grasp when the Soviet Union devolved,they need to put the past aside and get on w/modernizing their economy and improving living standards for ordinary Russians,their population is small and getting smaller,dreams of empire are a fools game for them. They have strengths in sciences and are not a completely backwards country and need to shed themselves of the authoritarian,propagandized,corrupt govt. that has them in a big rut.They need reform and honesty,truth sets you free,a more moderate leader,less geo-political ambition,and staying in their lane is the only way Russia can progress.
No one might want to invade, but the Russian federation is made up of other non Russian republics, like the old soviet union and some of them might want to break away. Then there are the other former Soviet republics that he wants to keep under his thumb. Many of these places want to be out from under Russian domination and sanctions.

The west has an interest in the European end of things and the Chinese and Japanese have an interest in central Asia and Pacific islands. No on will invade Russia but like Vlad did, some regions might declare their independence and China would support them or cause and finance the shit from the beginning. Vlad has to hold his empire and country together with fear, violence and intimidation now and it will get worse as economic conditions deteriorate and oppression increases.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Can't help but think that Ukraine would stand a better chance of beating the Russians if they concentrated their shelling on Russian forces instead of Russian towns and Ukrainian people, all while hiring thousands of crisis actors to promote their propaganda that the Russians are doing evil things.
That was propaganda, the Ukrainians won't waste their ammo, they were hitting fuel and ammo dumps in the area before with helicopters. There are major fuel and supply dumps in the area that support the invasion of Ukraine, it is a major logistics hub. It's just an attempt to confuse people and to say, "see they are just like us". Everything the Russians say is a lie or a distortion of the truth, the Ukrainians have western media with them everywhere and have no need to lie about the Russians. The Ukrainians have many western allies and cannot afford to be caught in a lie and with the information available and that can easily happen. Look how many times the Russians have been caught lying lately, the information battle space has changed, like the modern battlefield by technology.
 

JamieThePainter

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That was propaganda, the Ukrainians won't waste their ammo, they were hitting fuel and ammo dumps in the area before with helicopters. There are major fuel and supply dumps in the area that support the invasion of Ukraine, it is a major logistics hub. It's just an attempt to confuse people and to say, "see they are just like us". Everything the Russians say is a lie or a distortion of the truth, the Ukrainians have western media with them everywhere and have no need to lie about the Russians. The Ukrainians have many western allies and cannot afford to be caught in a lie and with the information available and that can easily happen. Look how many times the Russians have been caught lying lately, the information battle space has changed, like the modern battlefield by technology.
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Bah, fail on my part there. That was you looking for the joke flyin over yer head dude
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The mad midget is on his way out from the looks of this video.


Parkinson's often comes with mental issues too and even hallucinations, so perhaps Vlad's recent lapses in judgement and apparent lack of information, it played a role. He could also have some other disease like cancer and it could be the result of treatment, or even the course of the disease. I saw the video earlier and noticed his death grip on the table and a rather unhealthy pose. All of this additional stress could have serious effects, if he is sick to begin with. Vlad might not be around to suffer the consequences of his actions, but like Trump, there will be plenty of others left around who helped him and they might.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That was propaganda, the Ukrainians won't waste their ammo, they were hitting fuel and ammo dumps in the area before with helicopters. There are major fuel and supply dumps in the area that support the invasion of Ukraine, it is a major logistics hub. It's just an attempt to confuse people and to say, "see they are just like us". Everything the Russians say is a lie or a distortion of the truth, the Ukrainians have western media with them everywhere and have no need to lie about the Russians. The Ukrainians have many western allies and cannot afford to be caught in a lie and with the information available and that can easily happen. Look how many times the Russians have been caught lying lately, the information battle space has changed, like the modern battlefield by technology.
I was referring to the graphic, not your sarcasm and elaborating on the source of the story, they are usually based on a real event and distorted. Your response showed, up above my reply, not the graphic I was actually referring to.
 

Billy the Mountain

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Can't help but think that Ukraine would stand a better chance of beating the Russians if they concentrated their shelling on Russian forces instead of Russian towns and Ukrainian people, all while hiring thousands of crisis actors to promote their propaganda that the Russians are doing evil things.
TASS is not exactly an objective information source to put it mildly
 

printer

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Aren't the Mariupol defenders holding out in nuclear bunkers though?
But when you run out of food, water and ammo then things do not look so rosy.

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Can't help but think that Ukraine would stand a better chance of beating the Russians if they concentrated their shelling on Russian forces instead of Russian towns and Ukrainian people, all while hiring thousands of crisis actors to promote their propaganda that the Russians are doing evil things.
Look at the empty landscape, nothing but fields and a railway passing through. Not much of a target other than the rail system moves goods for the war. So unless you actually know the details you just can guess. Not like the Russians will tell the truth that Ukraine hit something significant.

Freight Train Unexpectedly Derails In Russian Belgorod
"In Belgorod, at the Kreida station, near the bridge on Mikhailovsky highway, three cars with soybeans overturned. The main thing is that no one was hurt. The reasons for the incident are being clarified. There are no traces of sabotage on the spot. Details will be known after the investigation," it said.

The video recording of the incident was published by the Telegram channel "World of Belogorye."

On April 1, the adviser to the head of the President's Office, Oleksii Arestovych, said that the explosion and the ensuing fire at the oil depot in the city of Belgorod of the Russian Federation could have occurred as a result of negligence.

On April 12, the Russian city of Belgorod, bordering Ukraine, reported damage to railway tracks.

On March 30, the General Staff of the Armed Forces reported that in Belgorod (Russia) there was an unauthorized detonation of ammunition due to disregard for safety rules and violations of transportation requirements.

On March 25, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, Kyrylo Budanov, said that partisan detachments had been prepared in advance, which would remain in the rear of the Russians.

On March 23, the governor of the Belgorod region bordering Ukraine said that a shell allegedly fired from the Ukrainian side had flown into the village.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This must be a blow for Vlad, she was one of his fans and apologists. If he didn't invade Ukraine she might have stood a better chance, like Trump, she got thrown under the bus.
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