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zeddd

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putin could stop right now. Stop the bombing and withdraw all troops. Even then it's going to take years for Russia to recover from this complete disaster that putin has brought on his own people. They're screwed no matter what happens.
He won’t stop due to his personality, Russia is going to be synonymous with famine if they don’t stop him.
 

zeddd

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It seems obvious to cut the head off the snake so it’s interesting to me why this is not happening. We must know roughly where he is.
 

schuylaar

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putin could stop right now. Stop the bombing and withdraw all troops. Even then it's going to take years for Russia to recover from this complete disaster that putin has brought on his own people. They're screwed no matter what happens.
Totally. I personally believe it goes back to King Biden was holding court with King Zelensky in 9/21. The most powerful man in the world was meeting with Putin nemesis- tall and handsome while short and stubby sat home. Putin lost face. And you're right Putin will destroy. His end game is much like every other narcissist out there especially Trump. If they can't have no one will. If they have to spend $70B to crack down on SSDI fraud and it will save $70B? Zero end game. Police officer ex-husbands are the same and there was a price to my freedom but I didn't want to become a Dateline episode.
 
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schuylaar

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He'll be stopped. Europe is not going to put up with his crap.
That's fine with Putin. He may not be able to have Ukraine but neither will their people. He will make it into some barren no mans land. Therefore, the win his. Zero end game.
 

schuylaar

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Budapest Memorandum in 1994. Ukraine gave up its nukes in part because the US ensured its safety. Biden made a mistake with the Polish planes. He could have said he was just following up on the US's obligations and yet not getting the US into a war.
Biden had the DoD and all of his advisors to deal with. The last thing we wish is a misstep and little madman to take it the wrong way. What you said was quite reasonable and on the table. America made the mistake and Biden is as only as good as his advisors. Ultimately the decision is up to him. But why didn't he? There is more to this than we are privy. You have to ask yourself for Poland to tie themselves up in knots over delivery process? There's more to this than we know.

Eventually it will come out why even though it doesn't seem to make sense right now.
 

printer

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I do not see how Putin can sell a part victory as falling back to the original two 'breakaway ' provinces Ukraine will stock up on munitions for the next time. So the reasoning of taking Ukraine to protect from a weaponized area next to Russia ends up being a loss.
 

printer

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Biden had the DoD and all of his advisors to deal with. The last thing we wish is a misstep and little madman to take it the wrong way. What you said was quite reasonable and on the table. America made the mistake and Biden is as only as good as his advisors. Ultimately the decision is up to him. But why didn't he? There is more to this than we are privy. You have to ask yourself for Poland to tie themselves up in knots over delivery process? There's more to this than we know.

Eventually it will come out why even though it doesn't seem to make sense right now.
I am sure they decided on not supplying the planes for good reason. Poland didn't say they were going to pay for the new aircraft, did they? And if the US is giving away brand new fighter aircraft then we want to get in line for them also. As well as the rest of Europe (well maybe not France, mind you Germany ordering new aircraft which puts the program of developing their own with France seems now in doubt. France is not pleased about it.)
 

printer

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Court of Arbitration for Sport denies Russia request to freeze UEFA ban
A court has denied Russia’s request to freeze the Union of European Football Associations’ (UEFA) ban on its soccer federation clubs amid Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

“The President of the Appeals Arbitration Division of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has denied the request filed by the Football Union of Russia (FUR) to stay, for the duration of the CAS proceedings, the execution of the UEFA Executive Committee’s decision to suspend all Russian teams and clubs from its competitions until further notice (the Challenged Decision),” the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) said in a statement on Tuesday.

CAS president Corinne Schmidhauser also said that all Russian teams should be banned from participating in competitions until further notice, meaning that Russia’s national team World Cup qualifying match against Poland later this month will be canceled.

According to the Associated Press, Poland, Sweden, and the Czech Republic’s national teams, refused to play Russia amid the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
FIFA, the world’s governing soccer body, recently awarded a bye to Poland national team last week, the AP reported.
Schmidhauser noted that Russia’s full appeal to freeze both FIFA decisions is “likely to be issued at the end of this week.”


So sad.
 

Sativied

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UK and Ireland, not in Europe? My atlas contradicts you, sir.
If you mean EU, that is not what you posted.
Unfortunately that significant difference is often omitted nowadays. UK went through Brexit, rid itself of EU, regained their sovereignty and now you lumb them back together with Europe. As if that isn’t bad enough you brought up Ireland, why? :lol:

In all seriousness, maybe what Zedd’s saying is it’s Russia, US and UK who signed the Budapest Memorandum, not ”Europe”, not EU. But let me ask.

Europe has no fight in it except the British and they are independent of the EU.
Huh?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Court of Arbitration for Sport denies Russia request to freeze UEFA ban
A court has denied Russia’s request to freeze the Union of European Football Associations’ (UEFA) ban on its soccer federation clubs amid Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

“The President of the Appeals Arbitration Division of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has denied the request filed by the Football Union of Russia (FUR) to stay, for the duration of the CAS proceedings, the execution of the UEFA Executive Committee’s decision to suspend all Russian teams and clubs from its competitions until further notice (the Challenged Decision),” the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) said in a statement on Tuesday.

CAS president Corinne Schmidhauser also said that all Russian teams should be banned from participating in competitions until further notice, meaning that Russia’s national team World Cup qualifying match against Poland later this month will be canceled.

According to the Associated Press, Poland, Sweden, and the Czech Republic’s national teams, refused to play Russia amid the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
FIFA, the world’s governing soccer body, recently awarded a bye to Poland national team last week, the AP reported.
Schmidhauser noted that Russia’s full appeal to freeze both FIFA decisions is “likely to be issued at the end of this week.”


So sad.
To misquote Indiana Jones, it just got personal.

 
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