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EU Nations Consider Banning Russian Ships From Ports
European Union countries are considering a ban on Russian ships entering the bloc's ports, aiming to tighten sea restrictions after a halt on air traffic, European officials say, a step that would further hamper Russia's commercial shipments.

Britain already decided on Monday to deny entry to British ports to all ships that are Russian owned, operated, controlled, chartered, registered or flagged. Canada followed on Tuesday, saying it would shut its ports to Russian-owned ships later this week, a day after it banned Russian crude oil imports.

The Marshall Islands-flagged NS Champion, which is operated by Russian shipping company Sovcomflot, turned away from the UK on Monday after the UK ban was declared and reported it was heading to Denmark with an oil cargo onboard and an expected arrival on March 2, ship tracking data on Eikon showed.

Two other vessels carrying liquefied natural gas (LNG) cargoes, the Marshall Islands La Perouse, operated by Sovcomflot, and the Cyprus-flagged Christophe De Margerie, operated by Russia's Yamal, were both heading to France in coming days, Eikon ship tracking data showed.

With tighter global energy supplies, cutting off such shipments poses a challenge for Europe, which joined the United States and other allies in imposing an array of sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine, which Moscow calls a "special operation."

Denmark's foreign ministry said EU foreign ministers discussed closing European ports to Russian ships on Sunday.

"Denmark is actively working for the EU to make a common decision to close its ports to Russian vessels," the foreign ministry said in an emailed comment to Reuters.

"We have already decided to close the Danish airspace to Russian aircraft. At the same time, we are open to looking at new initiatives in collaboration with our European partners."

A French government official told Reuters the EU was working on more sanctions and the closure of ports to Russian ships was a possibility, but added that any additional steps should affect Russia "proportionally much more than our own economies."

A Greek government official said Athens "will implement any decision the European Commission takes on this issue."

A European Commission spokesperson said there was no such ban in force at the moment. "But we continue working on further sanctions, which will be announced in due course," the spokesperson added.

The European Parliament will on Tuesday vote on a non-binding resolution calling for EU ports to be closed to Russian ships and ships coming to or from Russia, except for "necessary justified humanitarian reasons," which could add political pressure for the bloc to act.

On Monday, the Spanish transport ministry declared the country's airspace closed to Russian-operated aircraft and said it had proposed similar measures in the maritime sector.

Madrid said it was considering denying Russian ships access to Spanish ports, prohibiting supplying them there with fuel or other supplies, or even blocking Russian or Russian company-owned ships from accessing Spanish waters.

Jens Meier, chief of Hamburg's Port Authority, told an online news conference on Monday that while there were no clear rules about dealing with Russian ships at the time, he expected an announcement shortly "as to what is no longer allowed."

Elegny, the Engie-owned gas shipment and storage firm which operates the terminal at Montoir where Yamal's Christophe De Margerie was headed, did not immediately respond when asked if it had received any instructions from government or local authorities on handling the cargo.

 

Fogdog

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You are Romanian you and Ukrainians both fought for Hitler in ww2 i understand your sympathies
Hey, 0p0,

Glad to see you are still willing to share your thoughts here. Thanks for helping me learn that the US provoked and baited Putin into this war. We are totally at fault and I appreciate the harsh reality that by US supporting a sovereign nation's effort to remain free, Putin had no choice but to take that freedom away.

So, I can see what Putin is getting out of this. He's showing the world that he wears big boy pants and can so do whatever he wants. I asked you before but you were busy with other things, I guess. I'm curious about your thoughts so I'll ask again.

How are the people of Russia going to benefit from Putin's war? What is in it for them?
 
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schuylaar

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Ukraine: 'Nobody is adding to the escalation except Putin,' says Georgia's Zurabishvili
In an interview with FRANCE 24, Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili reacted to the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine. The Georgian leader said she was "not too convinced" by Russian President Vladimir Putin's assurances that he is willing to stop attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. Zurabishvili added that the only party that is escalating the war in Ukraine is Putin himself.

Speaking to FRANCE 24 a day after talks with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris, French-born Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili predicted that Moscow will fail in Ukraine just like it failed in Georgia in 2008, saying that "whatever happens, tomorrow's Ukraine will be anti-Russian".
She added that the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia "never changed the determination of the Georgian people to join Europe and NATO" and that she backed Ukraine's bid to join the EU.

The Georgian leader rejected the argument that the West was in any way escalating the current conflict. "Nobody is adding to the escalation except Putin," she said.

"He just used the pretext of so-called danger to justify for himself and for the Russian population his acts of aggression," she told FRANCE 24.
However, Zurabishvili, who is also a former French diplomat, regretted the West's "self-restriction" in the past "not do something that might provoke" Putin.
He's using Trumps playbook now and the US are MASTERS at this game.

Putin will run out of energy soon..we have him right where we want..so let him.

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Putin is weak by relying on an American Election.
 

0potato0

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Hey, 0p0,

Glad to see you are still willing to share your thoughts here. Thanks for helping me learn that the US provoked and baited Putin into this war. We are totally at fault and I appreciate the harsh reality that by supporting a sovereign nation's effort to remain free, Putin had no choice.

So, I can see what Putin is getting out of this. He's showing the world that he wears big boy pants and can so do whatever he wants. I asked you before but you were busy with other things, I guess. I'm curious about your thoughts so I'll ask again.

How are the people of Russia going to benefit from Putin's war? What is in it for them?
So the last 20 years of USA wars around the world benefited the people? How
 

BudmanTX

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Former Russian foreign minister calls on country's diplomats to resign in protest over Ukraine war
From CNN’s Vasco Cotovio in Moscow
Former Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev has called on Russian diplomats to resign in protest over the war in Ukraine.
“I call on all Russian diplomats to resign in protest,” he tweeted on Tuesday. “Dear Russian diplomats, you are professionals and not cheap propagandists.”

“When I worked at the Foreign Ministry, I was proud of my colleagues,” Kozyrev added. “Now it is simply impossible to support the bloody fratricidal war in Ukraine.”
Kozyrev was foreign minister from 1991 to1996 under President Boris Yeltsin.



even he see's it.....:clap:
 

Fogdog

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So the last 20 years of USA wars around the world benefited the people? How
The US has been badly damaged due to its adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. There was no benefit to the US or anybody other than some arms dealers. But you knew that.

What does that have to do with the Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

How will the people of Russia benefit from Putin's war?
 

0potato0

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  1. We do not want war.
  2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
  3. The enemy is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
  4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interests.
  5. The enemy commits atrocities on purpose; our mishaps are involuntary.
  6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
  7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
  8. Recognized artists and intellectuals back our cause.
  9. Our cause is sacred.
  10. All who doubt our propaganda are traitors.
 

Fogdog

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Potato head is at it again i see......smh
I'm curious. I learned a lot from 0p0 and c licker when they answered my question about Putin's reasons for the invasion. I think they answered honestly when they said that Putin felt provoked and the US "baited" Putin into this invasion. They said Putin has a short fuse and people should just give him everything he demands. That answer explains the invasion better than looking for a good reason.

So now, I'm asking why the people of Russia would want the invasion to take place. They will pay a steep price. What is the rationale for supporting Putin's war?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The only end game in Ukraine for Putin is genocide, the Ukrainians with NATO's help will make exterminating the population his only option, an option that will horrify the average Russian and probably lead to Putin's demise. The Russians know who to blame for this shit and suffering they call Putin's war, mad Vlad the invader.
 

Fogdog

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  1. We do not want war.
  2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
  3. The enemy is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
  4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interests.
  5. The enemy commits atrocities on purpose; our mishaps are involuntary.
  6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
  7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
  8. Recognized artists and intellectuals back our cause.
  9. Our cause is sacred.
  10. All who doubt our propaganda are traitors.
That kind of reasoning is what got the US into those stupid wars that caused so much harm to the country and its people.

If the above is your reason then it seems that Putin will soon see a rise in protests against his war like Bush saw when he invaded Iraq. It took about six years for the opposition to take control of Congress away from Republicans.

Do you think the people of Russia will wait that long?
 
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captainmorgan

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This isn't surprising to people following the rise of fascism around the world. India has been creeping into fascism for some time now.

First they silenced the press


Then they scapegoated and suppressed minorities


Then their furhrer tightens his grip on power:
India’s Narendra Modi wins 3rd term, setting stage for possible prime minister bid




Brazil is just a little behind India in its own creep toward fascism. Guess how they reacted to Russia's invasion.


Same with Israel but I think you knew that already.

I've been well aware of the creep but India joining up with China and Russia was never a thought with the friction for years between the 3. Brazil is pretty isolated from the rest of the world so they seem less threatening to me.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Former Russian foreign minister calls on country's diplomats to resign in protest over Ukraine war
From CNN’s Vasco Cotovio in Moscow
Former Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev has called on Russian diplomats to resign in protest over the war in Ukraine.
“I call on all Russian diplomats to resign in protest,” he tweeted on Tuesday. “Dear Russian diplomats, you are professionals and not cheap propagandists.”

“When I worked at the Foreign Ministry, I was proud of my colleagues,” Kozyrev added. “Now it is simply impossible to support the bloody fratricidal war in Ukraine.”
Kozyrev was foreign minister from 1991 to1996 under President Boris Yeltsin.



even he see's it.....:clap:
They might as well, their pay turned to shit when the ruble nosedived and they will be begging for food at their embassies like their soldiers are in Ukraine.
 

0potato0

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I do not pretend to know how Russian people think but i think if leaders like Gorbachev and Jeltsin continued Russia would be now on her knees with a begging bow. This war isn't a coincidence or a miscalculation lines are being drawn in the sand and soon the USA will be facing a challenge from China with Russia at it's back. For me it's enough that the war in Ukraine is over quickly. Its the best for everyone.
That kind of reasoning is what got the US into those stupid wars that caused so much harm to the country and its people.

If the above is your reason then it seems that Putin will soon a rise in protests against his war like Bush saw when he invaded Iraq. It took about six years for the opposition to take control of Congress away from Republicans.

Do you think the people of Russia will wait that long?
 
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