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captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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AntoMaria7 said:
What do you all think about the 64 km russian military convoy going to kiev? Why can’t ukrainains just blow them up?
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Russia has air cover now in the area and enough men and air defense to move in closer to the city. NATO and the US will not send in troops or planes, they will not fire the first shot in a world war, however if russia crosses a border into a NATO country WWIII will officially start. It looks like the fighter jets given to ukraine will be overwhelmed and shot down, they don't have enough pilots.
 
AntoMaria7

AntoMaria7

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captainmorgan said:
Russia has air cover now in the area and enough men and air defense to move in closer to the city. NATO and the US will not send in troops or planes, they will not fire the first shot in a world war, however if russia crosses a border into a NATO country WWIII will officially start. It looks like the fighter jets given to ukraine will be overwhelmed and shot down, they don't have enough pilots.
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It’s already coming pretty close to the border- bombs this morning in Ismail, 15 km from the border with Romania. And right now on our television it says the nuclear problem is pretty urgent as russians put their hands on the second nuclear base
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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India and Pakistan will not ban trade with russia, I'm a little surprised by India. The crazy midget now says he wants all US nukes out of Europe. India will buy grain from russia, they must be afraid of losing control of their population if mass starvation sets in.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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0potato0 said:
Russian column entering Kharkov they don't look demoralized to me. that's a lot of hardware

The southern army trapped and Russian Air force controls all the roads


❗Polish President Andrzej Duda, after a meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, said that the Polish side would not send its planes to Ukraine

Press conference with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the President of Poland, Andrzej Duda at Łask Military Airbase in Poland

(As delivered)
www.nato.int www.nato.int
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They are now getting massive support from Uncle Sam and many stinger AA missiles, soon Russian tactical air won't have the same effect. Nobody expected to hold eastern Ukraine and cities bombed to rubble are not taken cities, rubble make excellent fighting positions, make armor hard to use and equalizes infantry forces. Cities in the middle east held out for months, this will be no different. The real action will be in western Ukraine where supply lines are short and defensive positions will be created that will be defended with a layer air defense, not just stingers. They just need time and apparently the Russians are giving it to them. The point is not to hold territory in eastern Ukraine, but to kill Russians at this point, the more the better.

Being surrounded in your own country is different than being surrounded in a foreign one, you have the full resources and support of the population. This is giving NATO and their surrounding states a pretty good idea of their state of readiness and the quality of their armed forces. With some American and NATO support their neighbors won't fear them quite as much, having power is one thing, exercising it is another.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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0potato0 said:
And you believe that? Don't know which war you have been watching
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WTF do you think is in those stalled supply columns filling the roads? They bypassed resistance forces, these are thinly guarded and vulnerable to Molotov cocktail attacks, unlike armor and APCs, which are mostly at the front.

I'm sure some units have high moral and they have special forces, but the bulk of their force are conscripts. Here is another fundamental problem they have, everybody under 30 gets their news from the internet and have smart phones, the older generations get their news from state controlled TV. All the young men of military age are getting uncensored news and are not watching state TV, most have smartphones. This is having a pernicious effect on moral, particularly on the 18 to 25 year old conscripts.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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captainmorgan said:
India and Pakistan will not ban trade with russia, I'm a little surprised by India. The crazy midget now says he wants all US nukes out of Europe. India will buy grain from russia, they must be afraid of losing control of their population if mass starvation sets in.
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We, Canada and America can help with that! I'm sure the state department are quietly working on them and money might even be exchanging hands. Biden would love a big agricultural program to help farmers and feed India, Trump fucked them with his sanctions on China. Every bit helps.

Pakistan is dependent on America and is more subject to heat than India, but world opinion is more important to India as is domestic opinion.
 
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CCGNZ

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AntoMaria7 said:
What do you all think about the 64 km russian military convoy going to kiev? Why can’t ukrainains just blow them up?
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It is very vulnerable,many soft skinned vehicles,if Ukraine has the capacity remaining it could result in devastating losses,I'm sure the Ukranians know this,the question is what capabilities remain,from my observations so far I would conclude that it will be attacked by any means possible as the Ukranians have shown a dogged determination in defending their homeland,this whole episode that Putin has unleashed is above all sad,followed by terrifying,and lastly unnecessary,most Russian troops have no idea why they are doing this.
 
0potato0

0potato0

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DIY-HP-LED said:
WTF do you think is in those stalled supply columns filling the roads? They bypassed resistance forces, these are thinly guarded and vulnerable to Molotov cocktail attacks, unlike armor and APCs, which are mostly at the front.

I'm sure some units have high moral and they have special forces, but the bulk of their force are conscripts. Here is another fundamental problem they have, everybody under 30 gets their news from the internet and have smart phones, the older generations get their news from state controlled TV. All the young men of military age are getting uncensored news and are not watching state TV, most have smartphones. This is having a pernicious effect on moral, particularly on the 18 to 25 year old conscripts.
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Modern tanks are water tight, and therefor also very much molotov cocktail tight.
The way molotov cocktails work usually is by stalling the engine by getting inside the exhaust on the back, however already during ww2 tanks were designed to combat this to a large degree, the T-34 for example had shutters that it would cover the engine with to block things from getting inside and to put out any fires inside the exhaust very quickly.
It’s basically impossible on most moderns tanks to even get that far, as exhaust no longer is on the back top hull on any proper tank, even the T-55 from the 1950s has it’s exhaust on the side so you can’t pour things into it.
 
AntoMaria7

AntoMaria7

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CCGNZ said:
It is very vulnerable,many soft skinned vehicles,if Ukraine has the capacity remaining it could result in devastating losses,I'm sure the Ukranians know this,the question is what capabilities remain,from my observations so far I would conclude that it will be attacked by any means possible as the Ukranians have shown a dogged determination in defending their homeland,this whole episode that Putin has unleashed is above all sad,followed by terrifying,and lastly unnecessary,most Russian troops have no idea why they are doing this.
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I heard that Putin had a melt down because he didn’t expect to fail in the first days, so his frustration is what we should fear. BRAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW:KIEV WILL BE HIT WITH ROCKETS AND EVERYONE THERE IS WARNED TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW, not to hide anymore, but how can they leave?!?!?!
 
0potato0

0potato0

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AntoMaria7 said:
I heard that Putin had a melt down because he didn’t expect to fail in the first days, so his frustration is what we should fear. BRAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW:KIEV WILL BE HIT WITH ROCKETS AND EVERYONE THERE IS WARNED TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW, not to hide anymore, but how can they leave?!?!?!
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Only a specific area:
Russian Defense Ministry calls on residents of Kyiv, living near the building of technology facility of SBU which will be hit, to leave their homes.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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0potato0 said:
Modern tanks are water tight, and therefor also very much molotov cocktail tight.
The way molotov cocktails work usually is by stalling the engine by getting inside the exhaust on the back, however already during ww2 tanks were designed to combat this to a large degree, the T-34 for example had shutters that it would cover the engine with to block things from getting inside and to put out any fires inside the exhaust very quickly.
It’s basically impossible on most moderns tanks to even get that far, as exhaust no longer is on the back top hull on any proper tank, even the T-55 from the 1950s has it’s exhaust on the side so you can’t pour things into it.
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Don’t you have meatballs to cook or furniture to assemble?
 
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