Male Hermie!? What the heck?

[Cannabinoid Froyd]

So, this is new to me.

This Male was pulled from the grow when it showed its sex, some weeks back now.

It has sat in a poorly lit room for the sake of seeing what would happen.

It did not fair well for most of its flowering and additionally was stressed by under & overwatering.

Had male flowers for all of its life up until this last week when this change happened.

This is just strange and thought I would share it.

 

[mudballs]

Heck yeah males go hermi...shoulda took a pic of the one i had...it was a monstrosity to behold.

 

[xtsho]

That's probably not very good breeding stock.

 

[Friendly_Grower]

So, this is new to me.

This Male was pulled from the grow when it showed its sex, some weeks back now.

It has sat in a poorly lit room for the sake of seeing what would happen.

It did not fair well for most of its flowering and additionally was stressed by under & overwatering.

Had male flowers for all of its life up until this last week when this change happened.

This is just strange and thought I would share it.

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I understand both Male and Female can be "forced" to express the opposite sex.

I read that those seeds will be "male"

 

[Friendly_Grower]

It's a bit weird @Cannabinoid Froyd
I wonder if this is what breeding that way looks like.

We are in no way Masters of Genetics and DNA. Monkeys playing with fire maybe.

Hey you could try and makes seeds even self-ed seeds there and test the hypothesis of Hermi-Male = Male seeds.
I'd like to know to be honest. I have only read about it or watched it on YouTube.

It looks like Lemons to me my friend. I have no clue the dynamics of breeding that way. If it is "That Way."

 

[Gregshed]

What results from a male herm seeds? Has anyone grown the next few generations to know?

 

[Friendly_Grower]

What results from a male herm seeds? Has anyone grown the next few generations to know?

It's a good question. We are after all, messing with the normal functioning of the biological functions when we hit plants with chemicals to cause hermaphrodite traits.

 

[toomp]

What results from a male herm seeds? Has anyone grown the next few generations to know?

Mostly males we the occasional hermie male?

 

[Gregshed]

Mostly males we the occasional hermie male?

So why aren't there male only strains like we have female only?

 

[Friendly_Grower]

So why aren't there male only strains like we have female only?

I think this is the general question of this thread.
I wonder if it is wise to do this to a lineage. By that I mean just because we can it doesn't mean we should BUT it is an open question without a good answer in my mind and I want to know.
Maybe others know more.

 

[Herb & Suds]

In the words of Euell Gibbons

“some parts are edible “
I know nothing of a 100% gender
Please provide info

 

[Boatguy]

What results from a male herm seeds? Has anyone grown the next few generations to know?

The obvious answer is male, due to the lack of female chromosomes, dna or whatever you call it in the plant world

 

[Gregshed]

The obvious answer is male, due to the lack of female chromosomes, dna or whatever you call it in the plant world

What made the flower made an ovule and that can only be female DNA in my way looking at it.

ard you sure there are all male line genetics out there we can get our hands on? Very interested in that for easy of breeding.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Hermie still a Hermie - no matter the reason.

Ask Bruce Jenner.
Oops , Caitlyn.

 

[Boatguy]

What made the flower made an ovule and that can only be female DNA in my way looking at it.

ard you sure there are all male line genetics out there we can get our hands on? Very interested in that for easy of breeding.

If you fem a female, you get all females. why would males be any different?

 

[Cannabinoid Froyd]

It's a bit weird @Cannabinoid Froyd
I wonder if this is what breeding that way looks like.

We are in no way Masters of Genetics and DNA. Monkeys playing with fire maybe.

Hey you could try and makes seeds even self-ed seeds there and test the hypothesis of Hermi-Male = Male seeds.
I'd like to know to be honest. I have only read about it or watched it on YouTube.

It looks like Lemons to me my friend. I have no clue the dynamics of breeding that way. If it is "That Way."

Could be a fun experiment! Might just try it to fool around. Got a big year ahead and plenty of time to fart around with it.

Note: I did take pollen from him a few weeks back before this happened so I am interested in the lineage there as well as the seeds produced from the herm.

What would you all like to see?

 

[mudballs]

not here to fight, males have an X and Y.
Males are heterogametic (XY), females are homogametic (XX)

 

[Gregshed]

If you fem a female, you get all females. why would males be any different?

Because there may be female DNA, might be sterile all I can really say is if there was a way to make only male seeds I would have heard of it or someone would have done it to see what other breeding lines there could be.

If there's no answer I would happily take some seeds and report the outcome.

 

[Fardsnarp]

You'll be lucky to pull a gram off that plant.

 

[Friendly_Grower]

I'm curious is all. I don't see a benefit of having "Male Seeds" in a population but the plant does.
You should do what you wish here.

One thing is that those genetics failed in stress test. Only you know what the conditions of the stressors are so it would be a decision for you to make.
If this had been a forced expression of sex, say with colloidal silver, that is one thing to consider. If not then breeding is suspect in my mind.
I can see doing something if I had a lone plant from special genetics I was trying to rescue and it was a Male. I might force sex on it for the purpose of generating something to work with but in my mind that is a very special case and obviously the genetics would have to be mixed with something to get back to regulars. I mean *IF* this is seriously important then perhaps it would be a reasonable step.

Again I ask for no favor here I am simply curious for an answer.

A quick check from the great God "Google Search"

Hermaphrodite‌ ‌Cannabis‌ ‌plant‌s ‌can occasionally occur. This means a plant develops both male and female flowers in the same individual. Hermies should be eliminated from your crop immediately after detecting them or else they'll start pollinating your other plants.Dec 23, 2019

I'm not wanting genetics that have a surprise in store for a breeding program on down the line.
So, therein is the reality. For breeding it is best to start with stable genetics. Breeding takes years in most cases.
Stressing is a part of a breeding program so there is that truth.

Hermaphrodite seems to be the way a plant can fall back on for reproduction.
Believe it or not plants are aware. Have a read of Darwin's "Root Brain." for the proof of that.
I mean hasn't everyone gone to the garden with several plants and felt like they were talking to each other until the human showed up?
Plants will try and shade other plants to succeed towards reproduction. That's an overt act and one of a "in it to win it" plant.

The ones I have emit stingy itchy something into the air. It's an oil that gets on the walls. They spray something that irritates my eyes and skin slightly and I sneeze and sneeze. I go in water and get out trying not to provoke them. It is their Universe of life after all. I'm just the gardener.

The ‘root-brain’ hypothesis of Charles and Francis Darwin Revival after more than 125 years