Devils34

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Piff s1 came from Mass. grown haze bagseed. Its on other forums as fact. When I mentioned it there was plenty of east coasters who said it was a known and accepted fact. I guess they just don't know what S1 really means.
Someone named the bagseed cut as "piff s1". There was never a single strain called piff. So to call an accidental rodelization of unnamed haze by that name was misleading. By perpetuating the incorrect name into "S2" when it was reversed was wrong(er). It could be called an S1 of the cut called Piff S1.
Piff phenos are found in haze a / northern lights hybrids. Which i say the "piff s1" is from A5 . But how many rodelized gens ago ? And if you don't understand what overselfing does to chromosomes then were done.
Deflect all you want.
JUST because its on forums, doesnt make it fact.

Honestly, I live in the greater nyc area. I sold piff and smoked that shit every single day for 3+ years. I know Piff. The taste, smell and look are embedded in my mind forever.

That being said. The Piff thats back in NYC is 100% Piff. Whether it came from a bagseed or not, there are NO other genetics crossed into it. I know this because ive smoked Piff in 2022 regularly. Its available everyday, whenever.

IF it came from bagseed and not a cut from the source, they landed a bagseed of the SAME exact pheno of Piff that I sold. The chances of that happening in a random bagseed, even from the same genetics....then have it be selfed and still be 100% what I sold are 1 in a fucking billion.

Thats why I dont by the Boston Bagseed story. Plus like I said, in 3+ years of having Piff every single fucking day - there were absolutely no bagseeds.

This Piff S1 came from a direct cut that was selfed, no doubt in my mind. Maybe the bagseed story is so the. True source doesnt get out, I dont know

Ill believe what I wanna believe, everyone else can believe whatever story they heard as well.

All I know is the Piff is alive and well around here.
 

Piffcoastfarms

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Piff s1 came from Mass. grown haze bagseed. Its on other forums as fact. When I mentioned it there was plenty of east coasters who said it was a known and accepted fact. I guess they just don't know what S1 really means.
Someone named the bagseed cut as "piff s1". There was never a single strain called piff. So to call an accidental rodelization of unnamed haze by that name was misleading. By perpetuating the incorrect name into "S2" when it was reversed was wrong(er). It could be called an S1 of the cut called Piff S1.
Piff phenos are found in haze a / northern lights hybrids. Which i say the "piff s1" is from A5 . But how many rodelized gens ago ? And if you don't understand what overselfing does to chromosomes then were done.
Deflect all you want.
If haze is the only thing in the room… and it pollinates itself. That’s called an S1! Like it or not, intentional or not. If there was nothing else to pollinate it, then it pollinated itself. It’s still an S1 …. And an S1 to itself is guess what — OMG! —- an S2!!! I don’t really understand how this is so hard to figure out.
 
Does anybody have any finished shots of Midnight Mass or is it too recent of a release for a run? I've seen a few breeder pics of Harlem Dreams and it looks phenomenal, interested in seeing an even hazier version of it.
 

Devils34

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PC3 cut @ 39 days of flower, starting to smell pretty hazy and soapy... Already smelling better/closer to piff than any uptown or band-aid haze I've had.
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Whats the stretch been like? I hear ppl complaining about piff being a runt in veg....but if it stretches good enough it may make up for it in flower....i always think its dumb that ppl throw out females before completing a grow.....some fire ass weed comes from some fucked up phenos that ppl toss away due to not being structurally what they find appealing.
 

THT

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Whats the stretch been like?
Really quite manageable compared to Bandaid haze, but stretched up till about last week - easily 30 days of stretch after flip and id say it doubled in height, maybe a bit more. The buds are small, the yields going to be so-so, and it's lanky/stretchy and a bit flimsy but standing on her own

edit to add: she doesn't seem like a runt in veg to me, but I could see how people get that impression if they are used to running F1's with crazy vigor
 

THT

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@Devils34 one more thing to note
@Senokai flipped this cut straight from a rooted clone and he has a nice short lady like 2 ft. tall, I vegged mine till it was about 2 ft. tall and its only about 4 ft. now. I dont think Ill bother vegging much with her from now on.
 

Senokai

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@Devils34 one more thing to note
@Senokai flipped this cut straight from a rooted clone and he has a nice short lady like 2 ft. tall, I vegged mine till it was about 2 ft. tall and its only about 4 ft. now. I dont think Ill bother vegging much with her from now on.
I would agree and say 12/12 from rooted clone for best results lol

PC3 - I did find only one small nanner at the very top of one bud. Nothing to worry about honestly as no other sites have popped up.
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Senokai

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is that untopped? how tall was the clone when you flipped and how tall is she now? looks great.
Untopped. Clone was maybe at most 4 inches when I put her in the tent. I didn't exactly "flip" I went 12/12 from rooted clone all the way through. So it did have some veg at the start of the 12/12 but went into flower as soon as she was ready.
 
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