Another gun thread

[mooray]

Nothing wrong with that. But that's not even close to addressing the issue of gun homicides in this country. What is it you say about shitty people?

Didn't think it was, just commenting on the digression.

They make more shitty people..? They do shitty things...? Probably one of those, I don't remember lol.

 

[Fogdog]

So why didn’t they go after the video game maker? Its high time we shut down Hollywood too, we are way past glorified gunfighters.

Because video games have nothing to do with it. Nor does the glorified violence in movies. Rip Van Winkle much?

 

[doublejj]

So why didn’t they go after the video game maker? Its high time we shut down Hollywood too, we are way past glorified gunfighters.

why not brewers and car manufactures?....how many people are killed by drunk drivers each year?

 

[mooray]

And probably protected under the 1a, being essentially a product of art. Remington advertising on the other hand, not art.

 

[Fogdog]

Didn't think it was, just commenting on the digression.

They make more shitty people..? They do shitty things...? Probably one of those, I don't remember lol.

I thought you made a good point. I filed it away because I kind of agreed with you. Oh well, too bad you can't remember.

 

[Fogdog]

I thought this was insightful, Mooray

How did greece and rome turn out in the end?

That's why the system itself is mostly meaningless. It's stupid to hate socialism and it's stupid to hate capitalism. Those are just proxies for something else(shitty people). With decent people, any system works just fine.

As I said, there is nothing wrong with a state enacting gun control laws. As you said it doesn't change anybody. Shitty people will just get guns from states with lax gun laws and bring them into states that are trying to get them off their streets.

 

[BudmanTX]

Isn't that what happened i Las Vegas?? the guy bought guns from like 3 different states??? or something like that

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I thought this was insightful, Mooray


As I said, there is nothing wrong with a state enacting gun control laws. As you said it doesn't change anybody. Shitty people will just get guns from states with lax gun laws and bring them into states that are trying to get them off their streets.

communism is a great idea on paper, and socialism isn't that bad either, but when you add people to the system, all kinds of shit goes sideways...

 

[mooray]

I thought this was insightful, Mooray


As I said, there is nothing wrong with a state enacting gun control laws. As you said it doesn't change anybody. Shitty people will just get guns from states with lax gun laws and bring them into states that are trying to get them off their streets.

Oh, I gotcha, thanks for taking the time to find it.

I don't really have a problem with states enacting their own laws either. I don't think it does much and since I'm not too far from Nevada, it's little annoying to be a criminal on this soil over here, but not six feet over on that soil over there. Still, that's just a minor nuisance and states can do what the people want, within reason of course. In the end, our gun violence situation will never be improved until we really look at ourselves, because we have some major cultural problems and we're locked in this back and forth where the screaming gets louder and louder and also puts us further and further from working it.

 

[Fogdog]

Oh, I gotcha, thanks for taking the time to find it.

I don't really have a problem with states enacting their own laws either. I don't think it does much and since I'm not too far from Nevada, it's little annoying to be a criminal on this soil over here, but not six feet over on that soil over there. Still, that's just a minor nuisance and states can do what the people want, within reason of course. In the end, our gun violence situation will never be improved until we really look at ourselves, because we have some major cultural problems and we're locked in this back and forth where the screaming gets louder and louder and also puts us further and further from working it.

I agree on many levels with what you are saying.

With the 2A interpretation the SCOTUS made regarding the right to bear mass murder weapons and casual attitude that so many have toward mass murder, I don't see how regulations can make much difference. I have zero problem with politicians making promises to pass gun regulations if they think it will help them get elected and I don't have a problem with them actually trying to do so. But how much can they do, really?

This isn't going to end. We will have another mass murder, and another mass school shooting before the end of this month. 15,000 more dead/tens of thousands more injured by the end of the year and the beat goes on. I don't think it will change until a super majority of gun owners and the gun industry take ownership of this problem as theirs to solve. That is why I see this verdict where an insurance company must pay up as a hopeful sign. Make them pay, however you can. Might help. That money is going to be used by the anti gun lobby, so there is a benefit right there, right now.

 

[Wattzzup]

I don't think it will change until a super majority of gun owners and the gun industry take ownership of this problem as theirs to solve.

This will never happen. They think everyone else is the problem.

 

[BudmanTX]

wonder which gun maker is gonna be resposibile for this, prolly none, cause he did this under his own accord

simply walk in , bought a gun legally (i highly doubt btw) and then did this

2019 El Paso shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

after reading

Great Replacement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

that was posted on this right before and where he got it from

8chan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

which hold on.....drum roll........hosted in Russia after it was pulled down from other hosting sites.....

 

[Fogdog]

This will never happen. They think everyone else is the problem.

I don't disagree that what you said seems true today. I takes more than me posting on a pot board, I'm pretty much pissing in the wind. Still, though, attitudes toward drunk driving changed. It took a combination of regulations, enforcement and educating the public.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Oh, I gotcha, thanks for taking the time to find it.

I don't really have a problem with states enacting their own laws either. I don't think it does much and since I'm not too far from Nevada, it's little annoying to be a criminal on this soil over here, but not six feet over on that soil over there. Still, that's just a minor nuisance and states can do what the people want, within reason of course. In the end, our gun violence situation will never be improved until we really look at ourselves, because we have some major cultural problems and we're locked in this back and forth where the screaming gets louder and louder and also puts us further and further from working it.

the federal government needs to step in and pass a set of bare minimum laws to keep things in check, and after that, leave it up to states to stick with those, or to expand on them as they see fit, but never to go below the federally prescribed minimum
(which would include THOROUGH background checks, and no one gives a fuck how long it takes, and the registration of that weapon, cutting out ALL person to person sales...if you want to sell a weapon, you have to do it through a dealer with a FFL, period. no ammo for weapons that aren't registered to you, no online ammo sales, NO ghost gun kits or parts, period, NO modified parts like bump stocks, and STIFF fines and sentences for allowing a child to come to harm because you have an improperly stored weapon in your home.)

 

[mooray]

the federal government needs to step in and pass a set of bare minimum laws to keep things in check, and after that, leave it up to states to stick with those, or to expand on them as they see fit, but never to go below the federally prescribed minimum
(which would include THOROUGH background checks, and no one gives a fuck how long it takes, and the registration of that weapon, cutting out ALL person to person sales...if you want to sell a weapon, you have to do it through a dealer with a FFL, period. no ammo for weapons that aren't registered to you, no online ammo sales, NO ghost gun kits or parts, period, NO modified parts like bump stocks, and STIFF fines and sentences for allowing a child to come to harm because you have an improperly stored weapon in your home.)

Well the arrangement exists, but of course the bare minimum laws are a bit shite. I don't disagree with your list, but it will be perceived as the holocaust.

 

[Fogdog]

the federal government needs to step in and pass a set of bare minimum laws to keep things in check, and after that, leave it up to states to stick with those, or to expand on them as they see fit, but never to go below the federally prescribed minimum
(which would include THOROUGH background checks, and no one gives a fuck how long it takes, and the registration of that weapon, cutting out ALL person to person sales...if you want to sell a weapon, you have to do it through a dealer with a FFL, period. no ammo for weapons that aren't registered to you, no online ammo sales, NO ghost gun kits or parts, period, NO modified parts like bump stocks, and STIFF fines and sentences for allowing a child to come to harm because you have an improperly stored weapon in your home.)

Won't pass muster through the SCOTUS. Not now and not for at least 20 years.

The change will only begin when the public demands it and we aren't even close to that. If we can make insurance companies change their rates due to lawsuits, that's one avenue. The other is work to educate the public. OK, OK, that's a big step to take.

It's been done.



Wasn't easy, then, and isn't now.

 

[Wattzzup]

I admire your enthusiasm. However, I’m a realist.

 

[Kerowacked]

the federal government needs to step in and pass a set of bare minimum laws to keep things in check, and after that, leave it up to states to stick with those, or to expand on them as they see fit, but never to go below the federally prescribed minimum
(which would include THOROUGH background checks, and no one gives a fuck how long it takes, and the registration of that weapon, cutting out ALL person to person sales...if you want to sell a weapon, you have to do it through a dealer with a FFL, period. no ammo for weapons that aren't registered to you, no online ammo sales, NO ghost gun kits or parts, period, NO modified parts like bump stocks, and STIFF fines and sentences for allowing a child to come to harm because you have an improperly stored weapon in your home.)

And an age restriction, like 65

 

[mooray]

And an age restriction, like 65

And be tested for meth.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Well the arrangement exists, but of course the bare minimum laws are a bit shite. I don't disagree with your list, but it will be perceived as the holocaust.

i couldn't possibly care less how its perceived, as long as it's implemented, by force if necessary...