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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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mooray said:
No need for war, the world just needs to cut all ties. A global shunning would correct their behavior pretty quick, me thinks.
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Sanctions are a good idea, but they won't change until Vlad and his dreams of a second soviet union are dead. Vlad is the problem, not so much Russia. If they had decent government they could be a rich and prosperous country, feeding oil and raw materials to Europe and Asia. There are 160 million people in a vast land with several time zones of virgin forests and minerals close to Europe, China and Japan.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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BudmanTX said:
The best way to deter Putin and his mob......hit them in the pocket book, crash they're commodities market.....oh anon we got a job for u......
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lulz at the idea of pointing anon Putin's way.

One big pocketbook to use as leverage is Putin's stash of cash in Panama and elsewhere. The CIA knows where to look for his stash of dirty money and who his money launderers are (helloooo, Trump Inc.). Putin and his criminal ring of oligarchs got puckered up when Biden mentioned personal sanctions last week.
 
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mooray

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Fogdog said:
yep

yepyepyepyepyep

Containment is a valid and effective strategy. Also sanctions. Both are in the works from what I've read but I'm not sure on details.

25% of Europe's LNG supplies come from the Putin gangster state. That one is not for the US to solve but I would hope that Europe has a backup plan for that and maybe might start implementing it.

seems as if that's already started:

Wave of U.S. LNG Ships Headed to Europe Sends Freight Rates Below Zero
  • Spot charter rate in the Atlantic falls to -$750/day: Spark
  • Diversions from Asia means too many LNG vessels in Atlantic
The cost to transport a shipment of U.S. liquefied natural gas to energy-starved Europe turned negative, a dramatic reversal that illustrates a growing glut of ships in the Atlantic ferrying American fuel.

Spot freight rates in the Atlantic crashed to -$750 per day on Tuesday, down from $273,000 in early December, according to Spark Commodities, which tracks LNG shipping prices. That’s the first time the marker has turned negative in Spark data going back to 2019, and means that -- at least theoretically -- owners are paying charterers to use their ships.

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I wonder how the Chinese government feels about their "alliance" over Russia over Ukraine now?
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I don't totally understand...is this to say that EU LNG demands are being saturated by the US and thus rendering Russia's LNG pretty much worthless..?
 
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mooray

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Sanctions are a good idea, but they won't change until Vlad and his dreams of a second soviet union are dead. Vlad is the problem, not so much Russia. If they had decent government they could be a rich and prosperous country, feeding oil and raw materials to Europe and Asia. There are 160 million people in a vast land with several time zones of virgin forests and minerals close to Europe, China and Japan.
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A global cutting of ties would destroy their economy and their people would turn on Putin. The average person in Russia is fully content leaving the Ukraine to the Ukrainians, so losing their jobs over Putin's personal jerkoff mission would have them breaking glass and setting fires. Maybe fantasy hyperbole, but I hope not.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Fogdog said:
lulz at the idea of pointing anon Putin's way.

One big pocketbook to use as leverage is Putin's stash of cash in Panama and elsewhere. The CIA knows where to look for his stash of dirty money and who his money launderers are (helloooo, Trump Inc.). Putin and his criminal ring of oligarchs got puckered up when Biden mentioned personal sanctions last week.
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hey if putin want to send a electronic army to hit us with cyber-attacks, why can't we send Anon to hit him...and they're around the world...FSB would shit
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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mooray said:
No need for war, the world just needs to cut all ties. A global shunning would correct their behavior pretty quick, me thinks.
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well, see, the problem is they give a fuck about money, not other people's opinions...heavy, HEAVY sanctions would hurt them more than any war, and wouldn't cost nearly as many lives...a few russians might starve to death, the oligarchs may kill some in fighting to hoard whatever resources they have left...
actually as i understand it, they have fuel on their own, and the ability to become food self sufficient, but they will have ZERO disposable cash, and they'll be too busy hoeing beans and slopping hogs to make a lot of war...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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mooray said:
I don't totally understand...is this to say that EU LNG demands are being saturated by the US and thus rendering Russia's LNG pretty much worthless..?
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I can't answer that. I'm guessing it costs too much and US excess capacity doesn't make up the for piece Russia provides. So it's an emergency measure. I took note of this and decided that it was something to watch and see what happens from here.

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: U.S. talks to energy firms on EU gas supply in case of Russia-Ukraine conflict

The U.S. government has held talks with several international energy companies on contingency plans for supplying natural gas to Europe if conflict between Russia and Ukraine disrupts Russian supplies, two U.S. officials and two industry sources told Reuters on Friday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
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Fogdog

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Nixs said:
I'm still laughing hard @ the joke you told about the US exporting democracy.
Putin is shedding blood in Syria, Libya and maybe some other country, can you name a country that the US didn't fuck with.
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I get the sense that there is a person in there. I'm interested in people, that's why I'm here.

You are better than this. What point do you want to make?
 
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Nixs

Nixs

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Fogdog said:
I get the sense that there is a person in there. I'm interested in people, that's why I'm here.

You are better than this. What point do you want to make?
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You already think I'm a troll, pro Russia , and pro republicans, no need to explain :D.
 
Nixs

Nixs

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Americans are as Dumb as a Rock

That's right, we're the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the Planet. Here's a quiz Name one country on Earth that is fucking stupider. OK, there a few really dim country's out there, even dumber than us (I find that hard to believe) Exactly 23 to be precise (but they wore masks & got the...
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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Nixs said:

Americans are as Dumb as a Rock

That's right, we're the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the Planet. Here's a quiz Name one country on Earth that is fucking stupider. OK, there a few really dim country's out there, even dumber than us (I find that hard to believe) Exactly 23 to be precise (but they wore masks & got the...
rollitup.org
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Hey there Nix,

In your own words, what point are you trying to make? I don't like being dismissive but thus far, you seem more like a monkey throwing poo than somebody with the semblance of an argument they are trying to make.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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BudmanTX said:
there is no winner in war really only losers.....js
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A nice sentiment but not true. Weapons manufacturers are winners. Usually the incumbent leader becomes more popular = winner at the polling both (Biden could use a lift). Stock market can often rise and of cause as we saw with Iraq the oil companies did exceptionally well. Russia did well out of WW2 and America did exceptionally well. Even going back in time most victors in war did well. Example would be the Spanish in South America or even the English in Australia.. Follow the money as they say. War is big business.
 
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Sanctioning Putin's overseas wealth might make him lose some face and gain political points for for the taker but It's not like he won't still have tens or even hundreds of billions of $. Its not like his lifestyle will change one bit. He has more money than anyone could possibly spend in a few lifetimes.

Australia is hoping there is a Gas embargo as we could sell Europe lots of gas and are looking to ramp up Green Hydrogen production for export.

Ever wonder why Bush didn't have his assets seized over invading Iraq?
 
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Nixs

Nixs

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Fogdog said:
Hey there Nix,

In your own words, what point are you trying to make? I don't like being dismissive but thus far, you seem more like a monkey throwing poo than somebody with the semblance of an argument they are trying to make.
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Repair your wrecked home first before you preach others how to run their homes.
 
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