War

hanimmal said:
Not every other nation was led by a dictator that tried to kill W's daddy and in the general vicinity of a gang of dick heads that murdered thousands of Americans on 9/11.

Im not sure how 'stable' the region was prior to us going in though, I think that is some wishful thinking.
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For the history of the region that was stable. It's worse after The Coalition of the willing invaded as you can see. Lets all be honest the invasion was for the oil reserves.
Yea, not many people like the Saudi's but they have oil.

I wonder when we will see Lithium wars...
 
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Present day magic :)
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Nixs said:
Present day magic :)
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if you mean that to show that the republicans are all too often painted as the victim, when the democrats are really the victims of republican aggression and obstruction, i agree...
if you mean that to show that pootin' and the russians are not the aggressors, and that Ukraine is somehow responsible for russian aggression, then i do not agree...
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
if you mean that to show that the republicans are all too often painted as the victim, when the democrats are really the victims of republican aggression and obstruction, i agree...
if you mean that to show that pootin' and the russians are not the aggressors, and that Ukraine is somehow responsible for russian aggression, then i do not agree...
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I mean don't believe all what you see on the media.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
i believe what i see on the media when i see it on multiple reputable sites...if you trust no one, then there's no point to getting up in the morning, if you believe in nothing, then that's all you'll ever have
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The problem is not what you see only, its what "they" don't want you to see.
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U.S. AIRSTRIKE DESTROYS AL-JAZEERA OFFICE IN KABUL - Committee to Protect Journalists

New York, November 13, 2001—The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is deeply concerned about the destruction of the Kabul offices of Al-Jazeera, the Qatari-based, Arabic language satellite television station. The building that housed the station was destroyed by a missile fired by a U.S...
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Nixs said:
The problem is not what you see only, its what "they" don't want you to see.
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U.S. AIRSTRIKE DESTROYS AL-JAZEERA OFFICE IN KABUL - Committee to Protect Journalists

New York, November 13, 2001—The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is deeply concerned about the destruction of the Kabul offices of Al-Jazeera, the Qatari-based, Arabic language satellite television station. The building that housed the station was destroyed by a missile fired by a U.S...
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This is 2022.

I do understand why you want to rehash ancient history. The recent behavior of Putin's Russian crime gang has been awful.
 
Nixs said:
Who ever sheds blood is awful.
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so there is no difference between aggressive expansionist and those trying to defend allies from those aggressive expansionist?
not implying that America is always motivated by altruism, or even often...but we don't usually occupy a territory and claim it as our own...
we just set up a puppet government and let the populace get used to a little freedom, once they seen gay Paris, how you gonna keep em on the farm?
 
It's beginning to look like a desperate effort to keep America, NATO/EU and assorted other allies from fucking Russia for all the sleazy shit they've been doing. Ukraine is a hostage, if Vlad wanted to invade it he would have done it while Trump was POTUS, no one would go to war under Trump's leadership. I think Joe and a lot of smart people have figured out how to fuck Vlad and his buddies, especially if they provoke them into doing something stupid.

Something made Vlad do this stupid shit that is counter productive to his aims, something we know nothing about. I figure there are plenty of people in the national security community who want payback. Since America and it's allies have immense financial power compared to Russia, I figure that is where the pain is being quietly applied. Vlad has a lot of money in secret bank accounts in the west and if it suddenly started disappearing he couldn't squeal too loudly...
 
mooray said:
No need for war, the world just needs to cut all ties. A global shunning would correct their behavior pretty quick, me thinks.
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Containment is a valid and effective strategy. Also sanctions. Both are in the works from what I've read but I'm not sure on details.

25% of Europe's LNG supplies come from the Putin gangster state. That one is not for the US to solve but I would hope that Europe has a backup plan for that and maybe might start implementing it.

seems as if that's already started:

Wave of U.S. LNG Ships Headed to Europe Sends Freight Rates Below Zero
  • Spot charter rate in the Atlantic falls to -$750/day: Spark
  • Diversions from Asia means too many LNG vessels in Atlantic
The cost to transport a shipment of U.S. liquefied natural gas to energy-starved Europe turned negative, a dramatic reversal that illustrates a growing glut of ships in the Atlantic ferrying American fuel.

Spot freight rates in the Atlantic crashed to -$750 per day on Tuesday, down from $273,000 in early December, according to Spark Commodities, which tracks LNG shipping prices. That’s the first time the marker has turned negative in Spark data going back to 2019, and means that -- at least theoretically -- owners are paying charterers to use their ships.

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I wonder how the Chinese government feels about their "alliance" with Russia over Ukraine now?
 
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