hanimmal
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In America we call this 'Monday morning Quarterbacking'. Information gathering last century was not nearly as good or instantaneous as it is today.
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Lucky Luke
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Did you get taught that at school? If so them more lies.
The Forgotten Soviet-Japanese War of 1939
From May to September 1939, the USSR and Japan fought an undeclared war involving over 100,000 troops. It may have altered world history.
thediplomat.com
BudmanTX
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yep that the first one or the second one......Russia was already fighting in Manchuria (sp)
Lucky Luke
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No. Just do some of your own research. Look at what modern day historians are surgesting and look at what Japanese and Russian Historians are saying and look at maps.
CunningCanuk
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Because the Japanese government didn’t believe the US had another one.
Please share this inside information you have that Japan was going to surrender.
Lucky Luke
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Thats right..Russia and Japan were having a little war. Russia was o so close to invading Japan and Japan defensives were facing the other way- against were the Allies would be coming from.
hanimmal
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Rupert Murdoch alt fact world claiming 'lies' because they want to push anti-American feels.
Nothing you are showing is saying that there was any way that it was a lie that they didn't want to see lots more American body bags coming home prior to dropping bombs in Japan.
Nothing you are showing is saying that there was any way that it was a lie that they didn't want to see lots more American body bags coming home prior to dropping bombs in Japan.
Lucky Luke
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Did Hiroshima Save Japan From Soviet Occupation?
Stalin had planned to seize a major Japanese island. When Truman refused, Stalin blinked. Why?
foreignpolicy.com
Proposed Soviet invasion of Hokkaido - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan. Stalin Did.
Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?
foreignpolicy.com
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injinji
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Not to nitpick, but they also had one with Hitler, and we all know how that one turned out.
BudmanTX
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do you know about the third shot???Proposed Soviet invasion of Hokkaido - Wikipedia
The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan. Stalin Did.
Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?
Russia didn't invade, they both respected the pact, plus on top of that nagasaki was alread raised to the ground view days after that Hiroshima, they were already hurts, they lost Okinawa and all the troops there, so it was just japan by itself, when both bombs dropped it dropped Japan to its knees.....food, water, medical running scarse.........truman sent through esinhower sent a message to the Japanese and told them we have another, August 15th they surrendered......the next one was gonna be Tokyo...and we told them
BudmanTX
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they alined with Hitler that was the Axis, Germany, Italy and Japan.....
Lucky Luke
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Rupert Murdock is in your head isnt he? You mention the cocksucker everyday. I'm not sure he is anti American though- seems to be an evangelist and racist and a capitalist. How American is that?
Fogdog
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I'm struggling with the line of argument that begins with " Russia's sensitivity". Ukraine is a sovereign nation. The region has long and awful history with both the Russian empire and then Soviet Union. After the empire/union fell apart and Putin took over, he had a brutal dictator installed who was more interested in suppressing the citizens of Ukraine and enjoying the fruits of being part of Putin's criminal empire than good governance. It's clear what Putin is doing. He's not going to invade Ukraine, he's wrecking Ukraine because he doesn't have hegemony over them.
So, you tell me which is better for the people of Ukraine. They can continue to develop economic and political ties with the European Union and grow their economy as well as strengthen their democratic institutions or they can go the way or Kazakhstan.
Explainer: From stability to turmoil - what's going on in Kazakhstan
Dozens of people have died and thousands have been detained in Kazakhstan over the past week during the worst violence seen in the Central Asian nation since it became independent in the early 1990s.
Just last month there were hundreds of protesters dead and thousands detained with reports leaking out regarding torture carried out upon detainees.
Putin is intent on ring-fencing the borders of Russia with puppet kleptocratic dictatorships who serve Putin's gangster state.
The alternative is develop closer ties to Europe and not have a brutal dictator to maul its public into cooperation.
I get the realpolitik you are sharing here. Yes, it does upset Putin that Ukraine is asserting its sovereignty. Yes, the US and other Nato members are showing little regard for Putin's objectives. Yes, it's completely understandable that Putin will do dirty deeds to Ukraine because they aren't bending the knee to him. But the argument that its Ukraine's and the US's fault that Putin is abusing the people of Ukraine is absurd. It's like siding with a wife beater because she made him mad.
injinji
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Hitler and Stalin had divided Europe between the two of them. Neither trusted the other, with good reason. If they had stuck to that plan, there was nothing we could have done about it. But luckily for us, Hitler had to try to take Russia in winter. As they say, the rest is history. . . . .
CunningCanuk
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To be fair though, Stalin didn’t break the pact with Germany.
BudmanTX
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that was hitler.....
Fogdog
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There isn't going to be war in Ukraine and the US says it won't send troops into Ukraine regardless. You are so very strange and provincial when it comes to world affairs and history.
hanimmal
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lol the cocksucker owns half your guys 'news' media that he pumps out propaganda on, so chances are he is in your head too.
Still not seeing this lie you talked about though, are you moving on? Next can you tell us about the oil we were going to get again, that is always good for a laugh.
BudmanTX
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anything on youtube with Sky in it.....is Rupert
Lucky Luke
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Read the last 20 pages
Of cause there is and will be war in the Ukraine- they have been at war for years..