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BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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ok me and my weird thoughts......

what if, and i mean if, the orange avenger got back into office (i know, i know), do you think the orange putin would have already invaded???

i mean you didn't hear about the buildup till after the election when biden got into office.......
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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BudmanTX said:
ok me and my weird thoughts......

what if, and i mean if, the orange avenger got back into office (i know, i know), do you think the orange putin would have already invaded???

i mean you didn't hear about the buildup till after the election when biden got into office.......
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I don't think he would have needed to if Trump won.

Putin was getting everything he wanted, and was in as strong of a position as he would ever have been in. Everything is downhill after having a puppet in the White House with control of the Republican party, and Boris/Brexit screwing up the UK. Now Putin has to hope for some kind of win in France to keep NATO on it's back heels.

But America was also at it's weakest point, and now everyday we are more and more shaking off their attack that kept us rocked for 4 years straight and getting stronger. If they were going to make any headway in picking up new territory, the more time that goes by the harder it is (IMO) for Putin to get what he wants.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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CCGNZ said:
It's all very troubling to me, if the US thought we could simply pivot towards Asia(hello China) without Putin raising hell,we are stoned. I've watched the expansion af NATO up to Russia's borders w/a sense of forbodding because I'm well aware of Russia's sensitivity due to their tragic history concerning invasion. IMO the West has alway's seemed dismissive of Russia bordering on arrogant. Upon the Cold War's end I wish we could have reacted w/more humility towards Russia and I'd like to retract George Bush's pompous claims of victory,so much animousity could have been avoided had we taken a position that no one really won the Cold War and much treasure was wasted on both sides and the fact that nuclear war was avoided was cause to celebrate for both sides. I just hope that if Russia decides to roll that a strong de-confliction plan is in place to avoid mistakes. I mean the Russians are going to have robust anti air missilies and radar covering their ground forces and NATO is going to be monitoring this VERY closely w/air power in the bordering countries of the conflict. THE POTENTIAL FOR ACCIDENTAL OCCURENCES IS HUGE
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Agreed.
Its amazing that just a few months ago Americans on this very forum were grateful that they were out of the war they started in Afghanistan just to be all nationalistic and war like support for one in the Ukraine. Such a war like nation and don't seem happy unless they are shooting at someone. They don't seem to realize that they go around threatening China and Russia and when China or Russia push back just a little they go bananas and want to drop bombs- And America is the best in the world, No 1 at dropping bombs on people.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Lucky Luke said:
Agreed.
Its amazing that just a few months ago Americans on this very forum were grateful that they were out of the war they started in Afghanistan just to be all nationalistic and war like support for one in the Ukraine. Such a war like nation and don't seem happy unless they are shooting at someone. They don't seem to realize that they go around threatening China and Russia and when China or Russia push back just a little they go bananas and want to drop bombs- And America is the best in the world, No 1 at dropping bombs on people.
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Yeah it is America that put over 100,000 troops on Ukraine's border.

CunningCanuk said:
They must teach alternative history down under.
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Rupert Murdoch is from there, so the pro-Russian/anti-American talking points might have stuck.

Lucky Luke said:
No. Australia was at War with Japan if you recall. Have a look at a Map.... View attachment 5080030
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So that map shows how American lives were not saved by dropping bombs to end the war with Japan in ww2?
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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CunningCanuk said:
They must teach alternative history down under.
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No we were taught the lie as well at school. History is starting to accept the real reasoning these days. You can tell a lie for so long but the truth usually comes out- up to people to investigate it themselves and make their own mind up but Japans own historians support it- How is that- Russian and Japanese history being used to form an opinion on what happened concerning them? Not just the one sided allies version.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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hanimmal said:
So that map shows how American lives were not saved by dropping bombs to end the war with Japan in ww2?
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No...It shows how close russia was to the second largest Japanese island in 1945- They had orders to invade if you recall

Hokkaido - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hokkaido



The island of Hokkaidō is located in the north of Japan, near Russia (Sakhalin Oblast). It has coastlines on the Sea of Japan (to the west of the island), the ...
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Lucky Luke said:
Yea..lies.
Japan was about to be invaded by Russia. War was nearly over anyways. Amazing that all these years later the lie is still being propagated.
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guess you did read about this huh

The Soviets didn't invade Japan during WW2 because they had a neutrality pact signed with the Japanese (Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact )
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Lucky Luke said:
No...It shows how close russia was to the second largest Japanese island in 1945- They had orders to invade if you recall.
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So what you are saying is that America also saved a shit ton of Russians as well as Americans when we bombed Japan to end the war there.

Still not seeing 'the lie' as you put it.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Lucky Luke said:
No we were taught the lie as well at school. History is starting to accept the real reasoning these days. You can tell a lie for so long but the truth usually comes out- up to people to investigate it themselves and make their own mind up but Japans own historians support it- How is that- Russian and Japanese history being used to form an opinion on what happened concerning them? Not just the one sided allies version.
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Ask yourself this question, alternative history guy: Why did it take two atomic bombs before Japan capitulated?
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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hanimmal said:
So what you are saying is that America also saved a shit ton of Russians as well as Americans when we bombed Japan to end the war there.

Still not seeing 'the lie' as you put it.
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No.. Japan was about to surrender to the Allies anyway.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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CunningCanuk said:
Ask yourself this question, alternative history guy: Why did it take two atomic bombs before Japan capitulated?
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Why didnt it take 1?

It took Russia closing in to force Japan to surrender. They thought they would lose less culturally by surrendering to the Allies than to Russia- and they were correct. America also did not want Russia having more land and sea acces- Russia did well out of WW2 land wise.
 
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