On the verge of giving up!!!!

[Markshomegrown]

Can't hurt to try (hopefully)

try it and you will see.

 

[Greenthumbgrower1986]

I’ll have a go here
I get the feeling the op feeds the same in mid flower as the rest of his grow
And as we all know it takes more food and water in that period
I would surmise with cloth pots and a history and fear of overwatering
He has let his medium completely dry out on more than one occasion
To me I would keep a close eye on the pots daily and add a bit of dish soap to every other watering for a couple weeks
And feed the beast it’s growing not finishing

Can I ask what the dish soap does? I've really tried to keep an eye this run. I know with organics they should never dry completely so I've been waiting untill pots weight about a 1/4 of what they did when watered before watering again. I'm watering around 1.5/2l every 3 days, give or take

 

[Herb & Suds]

Can I ask what the dish soap does? I've really tried to keep an eye this run. I know with organics they should never dry completely so I've been waiting untill pots weight about a 1/4 of what they did when watered before watering again. I'm watering around 1.5/2l every 3 days, give or take

It acts as a wetting agent

 

[Markshomegrown]

Light wise, I'm currently using 2 X mars ts1000 about 20inches from canopy in a 1m x1m tent, I've also tried a hps 250w-600w. Same results

Yeah I’m not buying it either lol.

me personally I would say it’s one of 2 things.

Either

1. not enough light getting to that far down on OP plants.

2. not enough nitrogen in whatever OP using for flowering.

The lack of light, is a myth when you talk about a thick canopy blocking the light out, plants stretch, wait there look at the plant on the right in the (op plants) that's the effect of lack of light not yellow leaves, proof my plant in flower
start with a thick canopy, (top view), next side view, and finally leaves, green leaves nearly 5 weeks in flower, my buffer zone, fan leaves waiting for me to mess up(storage)


Nitrogen is a possibility, but larger pots = larger root mass and more soil, more soil = more food, less likely to run out.

 

[Driver733]

OP: whatever you do, don't give up - this is how you learn. You'll figure it out, just takes patience.

 

[Greenthumbgrower1986]

The lack of light, is a myth when you talk about a thick canopy blocking the light out, plants stretch, wait there look at the plant on the right in the (op plants) that's the effect of lack of light not yellow leaves, proof my plant in flower
start with a thick canopy, (top view), next side view, and finally leaves, green leaves nearly 5 weeks in flower, my buffer zone, fan leaves waiting for me to mess up(storage)
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Nitrogen is a possibility, but larger pots = larger root mass and more soil, more soil = more food, less likely to run out.

I agree, I do have an auto I put in as a trial just before I flipped the photo to flower so she's been on 12/12 pretty much her whole life so far, but she is in a really small pot 3.5l and no signs of yellowing. Also she is in straight bio bizz allmix, to this point no nutes have been added. I use same water for both plants

 

[jondamon]

The lack of light, is a myth when you talk about a thick canopy blocking the light out, plants stretch, wait there look at the plant on the right in the (op plants) that's the effect of lack of light not yellow leaves, proof my plant in flower
start with a thick canopy, (top view), next side view, and finally leaves, green leaves nearly 5 weeks in flower, my buffer zone, fan leaves waiting for me to mess up(storage)
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Nitrogen is a possibility, but larger pots = larger root mass and more soil, more soil = more food, less likely to run out.

So the inverse square law of light intensity is a myth?

And light requirements for photosynthesis is a myth?

I didn’t ask about the canopy and light penetration.

I grow a bush myself




He’s using a 150w LED that doesn’t have a massive Penetration power.

20” above his plants seems a bit far away.

 

[Greenthumbgrower1986]

The lack of light, is a myth when you talk about a thick canopy blocking the light out, plants stretch, wait there look at the plant on the right in the (op plants) that's the effect of lack of light not yellow leaves, proof my plant in flower
start with a thick canopy, (top view), next side view, and finally leaves, green leaves nearly 5 weeks in flower, my buffer zone, fan leaves waiting for me to mess up(storage)
View attachment 5068165View attachment 5068166View attachment 5068167

Nitrogen is a possibility, but larger pots = larger root mass and more soil, more soil = more food, less likely to run out.

 

[jondamon]

FYI the box of dried buds has already been harvested from the plant in the background.

That plant in that pic was at day 78 of 12/12. See all my green leaves??

 

[jondamon]

@Greenthumbgrower1986

I’m using the FCE3000 by Mars hydro and during most of flower it was at most 12-18” away from my canopy.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Looks like N def. to me.The plants are gonna consume heavy N thru stretch. Either increase the amounts of feed, or frequency. Keep feeding heavy with veg feed to stretch. Then start mixing in your bloom feed with veg feed, gradually diminishing the veg feed until just after stretch. Then just bloom feed until the end.

 

[Markshomegrown]

So the inverse square law of light intensity is a myth?

And light requirements for photosynthesis is a myth?

I didn’t ask about the canopy and light penetration.

I grow a bush myself

View attachment 5068182


He’s using a 150w LED that doesn’t have a massive Penetration power.

20” above his plants seems a bit far away.

When growers say the leaves turn yellow at the lower part of the canopy is dual to lack of light, if it was a lack of light the lower shoots will always stretch. There is a big difference, not talking about top canopy level.

 

[jondamon]

When growers say the leaves turn yellow at the lower part of the canopy is dual to lack of light, if it was a lack of light the lower shoots will always stretch. There is a big difference, not talking about top canopy level.

Like these shoots here in red at the node with the yellowing leaf coming off it?

 

[jondamon]

Thank you, the plant is stretched dual to lack of light, the distance between nodes(shoots), but still, all the leaves look green

Was that to me?

Because the zoomed in picture I posted was a zoomed in on the first pic OP posted.

 

[Markshomegrown]

Like these shoots here in red at the node with the yellowing leaf coming off it?

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In red, that's a leaf stretching for the light(that's normal), leaf in a back circle, could be the buffer zone( plant will move water/food from the leaf)

 

[jondamon]

In red, that's a leaf stretching for the light(that's normal), leaf in a back circle, could be the buffer zone( plant will move water/food from the leaf)

So where are my buffer zones then?

Any plant that cannibalises itself to sustain other growth areas is either getting insufficient light, or insufficient nutrition.

it’s not that hard to understand.

With artificial lighting and plant training there shouldn’t be any “buffer” zones.

 

[Markshomegrown]

Thank you, the plant is stretched dual to lack of light, the distance between nodes(shoots), but still, all the leaves look green
(tried to reply to the op, plants but it's not show the plants)

 

[Markshomegrown]

So where are my buffer zones then?

Any plant that cannibalises itself to sustain other growth areas is either getting insufficient light, or insufficient nutrition.

it’s not that hard to understand.

With artificial lighting and plant training there shouldn’t be any “buffer” zones.

cannibalises start from the bottom and work up. well my experience.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

cannibalises start from the bottom and work up. well my experience.

What he's saying, is if you're giving proper nutrition and light, there'll be no cannabilizing. Grow 101.

 

[Greenthumbgrower1986]

So the inverse square law of light intensity is a myth?

And light requirements for photosynthesis is a myth?

I didn’t ask about the canopy and light penetration.

I grow a bush myself

View attachment 5068182


He’s using a 150w LED that doesn’t have a massive Penetration power.

20” above his plants seems a bit far away.

I do have an adjustable HPS

So where are my buffer zones then?

Any plant that cannibalises itself to sustain other growth areas is either getting insufficient light, or insufficient nutrition.

it’s not that hard to understand.

With artificial lighting and plant training there shouldn’t be any “buffer” zones.

I do have an adjustable HP's 250-600, would you recommend using this then