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Oath Keepers Members Indicted for Seditious Conspiracy: Facts Show How Trump Inspired 1/6 Conduct
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
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captainmorgan
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Asking his cult to lie and steal the next election for him.
Herb & Suds
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“A famous statement, sometimes the counter is more important than the candidate “
Out in the open in true tRUMP grifter fashion
Who buys this bs
And when did that statement become famous?
Bagginski
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Straight-up CALLING for sedition, sabotage, and deliberate deception…history, take note!
DIY-HP-LED
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Stalin said it, "who counts the votes is more important than who votes".
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Andrew McCarthy: Oath Keepers Not Guilty of 'Sedition'
The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were protecting the country, not waging war against it, National Review contributing editor Andrew McCarthy argued Saturday.
"Two elements are indispensable to the crime of seditious conspiracy," McCarthy wrote in an opinion piece published Saturday. "First, there must be an agreement to use force, as opposed to protesting peacefully — even if rambunctiously. Second is the concept of levying war against the United States or opposing the lawful authority of the United States."
Both elements will pose "insuperable challenges" to the case, he added.
Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people were charged Thursday with seditious conspiracy, which is defined as meaning "to overthrow, put down the government."
But, McCarthy wrote that the Oath Keepers were actually trying to uphold the Constitution, based on what they were hearing from then-President Donald Trump about the election.
McCarthy explained the charge was first codified by Congress during the Civil War to target Confederate sympathizers in the Northern States, and since then there have been only a few prosecutions on those charges.
"Nearly 30 years ago, I prosecuted the last major, successful case of this kind," he writes, explaining at that time, jihadists who wanted to stage attacks on Americans were under trial. "Thankfully, people in the United States do not often try to make war on their fellow Americans, violently overthrow the government, or otherwise forcibly attack facilities and officials specifically because they are part of the government."
The events of Jan. 6 are "complicated" said McCarthy, but they involve protesters who believed they were saving the country by committing serious crimes, not waging war, and they believed they were acting at the "behest," or commend or request, of Trump.
He added that the Justice Department's charges against the Oath Keepers tell just "half a story" and that to prove they were conspiring to stop the transfer of the presidency, that would mean acknowledging that President Joe Biden had won.
But the Oath Keepers alleged actions took place after they were "convinced, through weeks of misrepresentations — including baseless claims of foreign interference, voting-machine manipulation, and counterfeit-ballot stuffing — that the election had been stolen, and that only by zealously resisting that outcome could the country be saved," said McCarthy.
"The person singularly responsible for what happened was Donald Trump," he said, but Trump emphasized the use of peaceful protest "enough times that he could never be convicted of seditious conspiracy — it could never be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he conspired with others to use force."
And as a result, Trump's supporters used force but never intended to levy war against the United States.
"They made the mistake of believing him…and of going way too far based on that belief," said McCarthy. "They thought they were defending the country, the Constitution, and the government. Because the president told them so."
But he stressed that he does not mean by his words that the Oath Keepers shouldn't be prosecuted, but that seditious conspiracy is the wrong charge.
"For political reasons, Democrats and Trump opponents want to brand January 6 as sedition, since sedition is the closest thing to insurrection," said McCarthy. "But it is not good law enforcement to infuse a prosecution with complications that needlessly risk acquittal, especially when more fitting charges would provide for the lengthy sentences that the most culpable rioters richly deserve."
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The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were protecting the country, not waging war against it, National Review contributing editor Andrew McCarthy argued Saturday.
"Two elements are indispensable to the crime of seditious conspiracy," McCarthy wrote in an opinion piece published Saturday. "First, there must be an agreement to use force, as opposed to protesting peacefully — even if rambunctiously. Second is the concept of levying war against the United States or opposing the lawful authority of the United States."
Both elements will pose "insuperable challenges" to the case, he added.
Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people were charged Thursday with seditious conspiracy, which is defined as meaning "to overthrow, put down the government."
But, McCarthy wrote that the Oath Keepers were actually trying to uphold the Constitution, based on what they were hearing from then-President Donald Trump about the election.
McCarthy explained the charge was first codified by Congress during the Civil War to target Confederate sympathizers in the Northern States, and since then there have been only a few prosecutions on those charges.
"Nearly 30 years ago, I prosecuted the last major, successful case of this kind," he writes, explaining at that time, jihadists who wanted to stage attacks on Americans were under trial. "Thankfully, people in the United States do not often try to make war on their fellow Americans, violently overthrow the government, or otherwise forcibly attack facilities and officials specifically because they are part of the government."
The events of Jan. 6 are "complicated" said McCarthy, but they involve protesters who believed they were saving the country by committing serious crimes, not waging war, and they believed they were acting at the "behest," or commend or request, of Trump.
He added that the Justice Department's charges against the Oath Keepers tell just "half a story" and that to prove they were conspiring to stop the transfer of the presidency, that would mean acknowledging that President Joe Biden had won.
But the Oath Keepers alleged actions took place after they were "convinced, through weeks of misrepresentations — including baseless claims of foreign interference, voting-machine manipulation, and counterfeit-ballot stuffing — that the election had been stolen, and that only by zealously resisting that outcome could the country be saved," said McCarthy.
"The person singularly responsible for what happened was Donald Trump," he said, but Trump emphasized the use of peaceful protest "enough times that he could never be convicted of seditious conspiracy — it could never be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he conspired with others to use force."
And as a result, Trump's supporters used force but never intended to levy war against the United States.
"They made the mistake of believing him…and of going way too far based on that belief," said McCarthy. "They thought they were defending the country, the Constitution, and the government. Because the president told them so."
But he stressed that he does not mean by his words that the Oath Keepers shouldn't be prosecuted, but that seditious conspiracy is the wrong charge.
"For political reasons, Democrats and Trump opponents want to brand January 6 as sedition, since sedition is the closest thing to insurrection," said McCarthy. "But it is not good law enforcement to infuse a prosecution with complications that needlessly risk acquittal, especially when more fitting charges would provide for the lengthy sentences that the most culpable rioters richly deserve."
Andrew McCarthy: Oath Keepers Not Guilty of 'Sedition'
The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were...
Roger A. Shrubber
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there was no violence at the act 10 protests, there was very little property damage, and no malicious damage at all inside the building at the act 10 protests, there were no weapons at the act 10 protests, while there have been dozens of weapons charges at the capital INSURRECTION, and finally, there were no threats of death at the act 10 protest, and business was conducted in the building while the protests were going on....
so, except for all that, same / same....
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/08/wisconsin-act-10-protests-vs-capitol-riot-breach-4-key-differences-violence-arrests-deaths-damage/6584619002/
https://www.nbc15.com/2021/01/07/us-congressman-says-wisconsin-act-10-protests-are-incomparable-to-capitol-hill-violence/
try again, magat
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about Tucker, the lost and found, and the way it is....Andrew McCarthy: Oath Keepers Not Guilty of 'Sedition'
The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were protecting the country, not waging war against it, National Review contributing editor Andrew McCarthy argued Saturday.
"Two elements are indispensable to the crime of seditious conspiracy," McCarthy wrote in an opinion piece published Saturday. "First, there must be an agreement to use force, as opposed to protesting peacefully — even if rambunctiously. Second is the concept of levying war against the United States or opposing the lawful authority of the United States."
Both elements will pose "insuperable challenges" to the case, he added.
Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people were charged Thursday with seditious conspiracy, which is defined as meaning "to overthrow, put down the government."
But, McCarthy wrote that the Oath Keepers were actually trying to uphold the Constitution, based on what they were hearing from then-President Donald Trump about the election.
McCarthy explained the charge was first codified by Congress during the Civil War to target Confederate sympathizers in the Northern States, and since then there have been only a few prosecutions on those charges.
"Nearly 30 years ago, I prosecuted the last major, successful case of this kind," he writes, explaining at that time, jihadists who wanted to stage attacks on Americans were under trial. "Thankfully, people in the United States do not often try to make war on their fellow Americans, violently overthrow the government, or otherwise forcibly attack facilities and officials specifically because they are part of the government."
The events of Jan. 6 are "complicated" said McCarthy, but they involve protesters who believed they were saving the country by committing serious crimes, not waging war, and they believed they were acting at the "behest," or commend or request, of Trump.
He added that the Justice Department's charges against the Oath Keepers tell just "half a story" and that to prove they were conspiring to stop the transfer of the presidency, that would mean acknowledging that President Joe Biden had won.
But the Oath Keepers alleged actions took place after they were "convinced, through weeks of misrepresentations — including baseless claims of foreign interference, voting-machine manipulation, and counterfeit-ballot stuffing — that the election had been stolen, and that only by zealously resisting that outcome could the country be saved," said McCarthy.
"The person singularly responsible for what happened was Donald Trump," he said, but Trump emphasized the use of peaceful protest "enough times that he could never be convicted of seditious conspiracy — it could never be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he conspired with others to use force."
And as a result, Trump's supporters used force but never intended to levy war against the United States.
"They made the mistake of believing him…and of going way too far based on that belief," said McCarthy. "They thought they were defending the country, the Constitution, and the government. Because the president told them so."
But he stressed that he does not mean by his words that the Oath Keepers shouldn't be prosecuted, but that seditious conspiracy is the wrong charge.
"For political reasons, Democrats and Trump opponents want to brand January 6 as sedition, since sedition is the closest thing to insurrection," said McCarthy. "But it is not good law enforcement to infuse a prosecution with complications that needlessly risk acquittal, especially when more fitting charges would provide for the lengthy sentences that the most culpable rioters richly deserve."
Andrew McCarthy: Oath Keepers Not Guilty of 'Sedition'
The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were...
Roger A. Shrubber
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ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law...Andrew McCarthy: Oath Keepers Not Guilty of 'Sedition'
The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were protecting the country, not waging war against it, National Review contributing editor Andrew McCarthy argued Saturday.
"Two elements are indispensable to the crime of seditious conspiracy," McCarthy wrote in an opinion piece published Saturday. "First, there must be an agreement to use force, as opposed to protesting peacefully — even if rambunctiously. Second is the concept of levying war against the United States or opposing the lawful authority of the United States."
Both elements will pose "insuperable challenges" to the case, he added.
Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people were charged Thursday with seditious conspiracy, which is defined as meaning "to overthrow, put down the government."
But, McCarthy wrote that the Oath Keepers were actually trying to uphold the Constitution, based on what they were hearing from then-President Donald Trump about the election.
McCarthy explained the charge was first codified by Congress during the Civil War to target Confederate sympathizers in the Northern States, and since then there have been only a few prosecutions on those charges.
"Nearly 30 years ago, I prosecuted the last major, successful case of this kind," he writes, explaining at that time, jihadists who wanted to stage attacks on Americans were under trial. "Thankfully, people in the United States do not often try to make war on their fellow Americans, violently overthrow the government, or otherwise forcibly attack facilities and officials specifically because they are part of the government."
The events of Jan. 6 are "complicated" said McCarthy, but they involve protesters who believed they were saving the country by committing serious crimes, not waging war, and they believed they were acting at the "behest," or commend or request, of Trump.
He added that the Justice Department's charges against the Oath Keepers tell just "half a story" and that to prove they were conspiring to stop the transfer of the presidency, that would mean acknowledging that President Joe Biden had won.
But the Oath Keepers alleged actions took place after they were "convinced, through weeks of misrepresentations — including baseless claims of foreign interference, voting-machine manipulation, and counterfeit-ballot stuffing — that the election had been stolen, and that only by zealously resisting that outcome could the country be saved," said McCarthy.
"The person singularly responsible for what happened was Donald Trump," he said, but Trump emphasized the use of peaceful protest "enough times that he could never be convicted of seditious conspiracy — it could never be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he conspired with others to use force."
And as a result, Trump's supporters used force but never intended to levy war against the United States.
"They made the mistake of believing him…and of going way too far based on that belief," said McCarthy. "They thought they were defending the country, the Constitution, and the government. Because the president told them so."
But he stressed that he does not mean by his words that the Oath Keepers shouldn't be prosecuted, but that seditious conspiracy is the wrong charge.
"For political reasons, Democrats and Trump opponents want to brand January 6 as sedition, since sedition is the closest thing to insurrection," said McCarthy. "But it is not good law enforcement to infuse a prosecution with complications that needlessly risk acquittal, especially when more fitting charges would provide for the lengthy sentences that the most culpable rioters richly deserve."
Andrew McCarthy: Oath Keepers Not Guilty of 'Sedition'
The Justice Department has been "goaded into" charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 events at the U.S. Capitol, but that charge is the wrong one because the defendants were acting in a belief that they were...
Bagginski
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Another famous word for struggle is ”kampf”
printer
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As in Mein Kampf? I heard Trump say it make nice light reading before bed.
Roger A. Shrubber
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now i know you're fucking lying...trump reading mein kampf? trump reading anything that isn't about trump?....
printer
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Donald Trump 'kept book of Adolf Hitler's speeches in his bedside cabinet'now i know you're fucking lying...trump reading mein kampf? trump reading anything that isn't about trump?....
In a 1990 interview, the billionaire businessman admitted to owning Nazi leader's 'Mein Kampf' but said he had would never read speeches
Donald Trump reportedly owned a copy of Adolf Hitler’s speeches and kept them in his bedside cabinet.
A 1990 Vanity Fair article about billionaire businessman stated that Mr Trump’s then wife Ivana, said her husband owned a copy of “My New Order” – a printed collection of the Nazi leader’s speeches.
Donald Trump 'kept book of Adolf Hitler's speeches in his bedside cabinet and may have read it for inspiration'
In a 1990 interview, the billionaire businessman admitted to owning Nazi leader's 'Mein Kampf' but said he had would never read speeches
Roger A. Shrubber
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having a book doesn't mean you've read it, or ever will..Donald Trump 'kept book of Adolf Hitler's speeches in his bedside cabinet'
In a 1990 interview, the billionaire businessman admitted to owning Nazi leader's 'Mein Kampf' but said he had would never read speeches
Donald Trump reportedly owned a copy of Adolf Hitler’s speeches and kept them in his bedside cabinet.
A 1990 Vanity Fair article about billionaire businessman stated that Mr Trump’s then wife Ivana, said her husband owned a copy of “My New Order” – a printed collection of the Nazi leader’s speeches.
Donald Trump 'kept book of Adolf Hitler's speeches in his bedside cabinet and may have read it for inspiration'
In a 1990 interview, the billionaire businessman admitted to owning Nazi leader's 'Mein Kampf' but said he had would never read speecheswww.independent.co.uk
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C. Nesbitt
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Yeah, he’s pretty clearly demonstrated that he doesn’t read much - daily intelligence briefings are just one of several examples - he watches a shit ton of TV and consumes social media like a crack whore tho. I would believe Ivanna owned and read those books and speeches. If so, that might actually explain a lot about Jr., Eric and Ivanka too.
printer
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This was in the 80'-90's when he was somewhat competent. And as a bible to feed his megalomaniac mind it is like giving candy to a baby. But reading the speeches is not reading the whole book. And it is not like his ex-wife was really looking to build him up.
DIY-HP-LED
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The estranged wife of indicted leader of Oath Keepers tells CNN he is a 'dangerous man' and 'complete sociopath'
The wife of Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes said she was relieved that he has been indicted as she "lived in fear" of him showing up at her house.
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The estranged wife of indicted leader of Oath Keepers tells CNN he is a 'dangerous man' and 'complete sociopath'
- Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers, was charged with seditious conspiracy in connection to the Capitol riot.
- His estranged wife Tasha Adams said that he is a "complete sociopath."
- Adams said that she felt Rhodes was personally dangerous to her and her family, and also to the country.
Roger A. Shrubber
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who would have guessed?
The estranged wife of indicted leader of Oath Keepers tells CNN he is a 'dangerous man' and 'complete sociopath'
The wife of Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes said she was relieved that he has been indicted as she "lived in fear" of him showing up at her house.
The estranged wife of indicted leader of Oath Keepers tells CNN he is a 'dangerous man' and 'complete sociopath'
- Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers, was charged with seditious conspiracy in connection to the Capitol riot.
- His estranged wife Tasha Adams said that he is a "complete sociopath."
- Adams said that she felt Rhodes was personally dangerous to her and her family, and also to the country.
printer
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Trump Vows 'Our Own Investigations' of Events of Jan. 6
Denouncing the Jan. 6 shooting of Ashli Babbitt and selective prosecution in America, President Donald Trump vowed a Republican-controlled Congress will conduct a fair investigation.
"We will immediately begin our own investigations into what happened – what really happened, because this is being totally whitewashed," Trump told his Save America rally Saturday in Florence, Arizona, indirectly referencing Revolver.news reporting on the "un-indicted co-conspirators" from the storming of the Capitol and individuals calling for Trump supporters to enter the Capitol.
"If the un-select committee were serious about getting the facts about Jan. 6, it would focus on answering the following questions: Why did Nancy Pelosi and the Capitol Police reject the more than 10,000 National Guard troops or soldiers that I authorized to help control the enormous crowd that I knew was coming.
"And the reason I knew it, everybody that I knew was saying, 'I'm going on Jan. 6.'"
Trump called Jan. 6's Stop the Steal rally crowd his largest ever, which was reportedly not attended by a man known as Ray Epps, according to Revolver.news founder Darren Beattie. Beattie was a former White House speech writer under Trump – although he was not mentioned by name during the rally.
"Exactly how many of those present at the Capitol complex on Jan. 6 were FBI, confidential informants, agents, or otherwise working directly or indirectly with an agency of the United States government," Trump continued on the questions he would seek to be answered, including a reference to a man who he only called "Epps." "People want to hear this. How about the one guy? Go in? Go in. Get in there. Everybody else get in there. Go go, go! Nothing happens to him. What happened with him? Nothing happens."
Trump added "the real insurrection took place on election day, Nov. 3," a presidential election he said was impacted by mass mail-in balloting used without the approval of battleground state legislatures under the guise of COVID-19.
"Did any of these individuals play any role whatsoever, improving, or facilitating the events at the Capitol?" Trump said. "That's what we want to know. And, most importantly, why are they not investigating Nov. 3, a rigged and stolen election?
"Without getting to the bottom of it, we will never have a fair and free democracy. Why aren't they looking at that? And there is massive evidence that shows exactly what I'm talking about, and it's coming out rapidly and it's come out and is coming out very big in the great state of Arizona."
Epps is reportedly a resident of the state, owning a ranch about just 26 miles from the stage Trump was speaking.
"The American people deserve answers," Trump said. "The Jan. 6 rally was a protest against a crooked election carried out by unhinged Democrats, Big Tech, working with the fake news media, all working together to defeat Republicans – and your favorite president: Me."
Denouncing the Jan. 6 shooting of Ashli Babbitt and selective prosecution in America, President Donald Trump vowed a Republican-controlled Congress will conduct a fair investigation.
"We will immediately begin our own investigations into what happened – what really happened, because this is being totally whitewashed," Trump told his Save America rally Saturday in Florence, Arizona, indirectly referencing Revolver.news reporting on the "un-indicted co-conspirators" from the storming of the Capitol and individuals calling for Trump supporters to enter the Capitol.
"If the un-select committee were serious about getting the facts about Jan. 6, it would focus on answering the following questions: Why did Nancy Pelosi and the Capitol Police reject the more than 10,000 National Guard troops or soldiers that I authorized to help control the enormous crowd that I knew was coming.
"And the reason I knew it, everybody that I knew was saying, 'I'm going on Jan. 6.'"
Trump called Jan. 6's Stop the Steal rally crowd his largest ever, which was reportedly not attended by a man known as Ray Epps, according to Revolver.news founder Darren Beattie. Beattie was a former White House speech writer under Trump – although he was not mentioned by name during the rally.
"Exactly how many of those present at the Capitol complex on Jan. 6 were FBI, confidential informants, agents, or otherwise working directly or indirectly with an agency of the United States government," Trump continued on the questions he would seek to be answered, including a reference to a man who he only called "Epps." "People want to hear this. How about the one guy? Go in? Go in. Get in there. Everybody else get in there. Go go, go! Nothing happens to him. What happened with him? Nothing happens."
Trump added "the real insurrection took place on election day, Nov. 3," a presidential election he said was impacted by mass mail-in balloting used without the approval of battleground state legislatures under the guise of COVID-19.
"Did any of these individuals play any role whatsoever, improving, or facilitating the events at the Capitol?" Trump said. "That's what we want to know. And, most importantly, why are they not investigating Nov. 3, a rigged and stolen election?
"Without getting to the bottom of it, we will never have a fair and free democracy. Why aren't they looking at that? And there is massive evidence that shows exactly what I'm talking about, and it's coming out rapidly and it's come out and is coming out very big in the great state of Arizona."
Epps is reportedly a resident of the state, owning a ranch about just 26 miles from the stage Trump was speaking.
"The American people deserve answers," Trump said. "The Jan. 6 rally was a protest against a crooked election carried out by unhinged Democrats, Big Tech, working with the fake news media, all working together to defeat Republicans – and your favorite president: Me."
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
Oath Keepers Members Indicted for Seditious Conspiracy: Facts Show How Trump Inspired 1/6 Conduct
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