LED and Calmag issues.

[Tangerine_]

The main thing a high vpd will effect is the uptake of calcium and magnesium. People think they have a calcium deficiency add more calcium. Don’t do this, it makes it worse. If you have problems with a high vpd or if you don’t know what that is. If you have for example 80 degrees temp and 45% humidity your vpd is to high meaning your plants will not intake nutrients and water the proper way. If you want a quick fix with a high vpd lower your nutrients drastically so they uptake more water than nutes. Lower your calmag and the ppm of your nutes and this will help the plant survive. Im
Not the best at explain these things but I hope you understand what I’m getting at. You can also lower the output or dim your lights, that will also help with a high vpd. High powered LED lights with a high vpd is a recipe for death. Same goes for HPS but the infrared will help open the stomata of the plant leaf. I hope this helps and I hope I explained it right. I know how some of you feel when a grow isn’t going right.

You explained that fine.

Thing only thing I'd add is it IS possible to grow in low pressure and have a healthy harvest but it requires a grower to really have feel for their environment. I've seen growers pull off some healthy resinous plants with the right knowledge and grow strategies, ie, anticipating seasonal changes and adjusting watering and fertigation methods.

 

[gforce3]

I dunno man.
I’m no master grower but these plants have been chugging along under COB LEDs in 78-80° and humidity never lower than 45%. They are nowhere near certain death. Well let me rephrase that. There’s certain death in their future but I control that. Flipped the lights Sep 10. Stopped stretching around Oct 1. So they’re 4 weeks into flower if you count those things.

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I’m guessing in a tent like that your humidity is rarely ever lower than 50% with a beautiful canopy like that. Good job. Those plants show to have a very good VPD

 

[gforce3]

I’m a minimalist.
3 gallon felt pots.
Roots 707.
300w COB in a 2x4 tent.
GH Floranova Bloom all the way through.
Tap water.
I use Recharge every other feed.
And a little Mykos in the transplant hole.
Very rarely run into trouble.
Haven’t used Calmag in years.
If you can grow, you can grow.
Your plants aren’t gonna die under LEDs because your humidity is 40% and your temp is 80°F.

Then do it smart guy. Put some high grade (HLG 650r or same) in a grow with 80 degrees and 40% document it and come back. I’ll wait. If you can grow you can grow.

 

[gforce3]

You explained that fine.

Thing only thing I'd add is it IS possible to grow in low pressure and have a healthy harvest but it requires a grower to really have feel for their environment. I've seen growers pull off some healthy resinous plants with the right knowledge and grow strategies, ie, anticipating seasonal changes and adjusting watering and fertigation methods.

Totally agree . What I’ve learned is lowering the nutrients with a high vpd or dry environment will make a successful grow. It’s just much easier with a perfect vpd and will reward the grower with a heavier yield. Wish you all the best

 

[drsaltzman]

I’m not that smart.
Don’t know a VPD from a VPN from a VHS.
But I do know plants don’t die from 80° temps and 45% humidity. That’s a bit dramatic.

 

[Three Berries]

I can defiantly see leaf curl when the VPD gets over 1.2 in my tent. Granted the LEDs are not the best but it's obvious. And it's much more pronounced on the OG Kush vs the GDP. These LEDs I'm using in the tent really suck though.

 

[speedwell68]

I can defiantly see leaf curl when the VPD gets over 1.2 in my tent. Granted the LEDs are not the best but it's obvious. And it's much more pronounced on the OG Kush vs the GDP. These LEDs I'm using in the tent really suck though.

Which LEDs are they? I also have some OG Kush, just potted it up and started LST. I am vaguely curious about all of this.

 

[Three Berries]

Which LEDs are they? I also have some OG Kush, just potted it up and started LST. I am vaguely curious about all of this.

No name FS 80ww strip with 9 LEDs on it. I have three but can't run all three as it gets too hot and dry. I can run a smaller 50Ww FS cob with the other two as long as I keep a hanging wet towel in the tent too.

On my first grow in the tent I had two 60ww LED arrays. They worked much better but are in use for my flowering plants. They will be coming back to the tent at the end of the grow as I got a couple 100ww led arrays for the flower.

But I don't really think it depends so much on what LED as it IS an LED and special care as far as distance must be taken.

 

[Locktopus]

Totally agree . What I’ve learned is lowering the nutrients with a high vpd or dry environment will make a successful grow. It’s just much easier with a perfect vpd and will reward the grower with a heavier yield. Wish you all the best

This makes absolute perfect logical sense.

 

[jarvild]

Something wrong with these never paid attention to VPD plants, grown under LED's ?

 

[Three Berries]

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Something wrong with these never paid attention to VPD plants, grown under LED's ?

Did you ever turn them or were they always in the same spot?

 

[gforce3]

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Something wrong with these never paid attention to VPD plants, grown under LED's ?

you guys are a piece of art. Just because you haven’t checked your VPD doesn’t mean your vpd is out of wack. Just because you don’t check vpd doesn’t mean you’re going to fail. Grower talent is the most important thing. We are all right and I’m not bashing anyone. Some people know from experience how to keep a grow room in check. I’m not disagreeing with anyone. All I’m putting out there are ways to make it easier for the inexperienced grower. Following a VPD chart will make life easier for anyone it’s scientifically proven.
there are so many factors
Light intensity
Temperature
Humidity
Leaf temperatures
Nutrient EC

with out checking vpd a good grower knows lower light intensity, lower nutrients etc. you can adjust from there as the plants talk to you. No way is the wrong way. But following VPD def makes it easier for the inexperienced. You guys are so quick to get insulted without thinking about what people are trying to get across. No one was attacked or called out just information that should be learned. I know it’s hard this day in age with all you soft ass sensitive mfers. With you all the best. Happy growing!

 

[jarvild]

Did you ever turn them or were they always in the same spot?

Same spot

 

[jarvild]

you guys are a piece of art. Just because you haven’t checked your VPD doesn’t mean your vpd is out of wack. Just because you don’t check vpd doesn’t mean you’re going to fail. Grower talent is the most important thing. We are all right and I’m not bashing anyone. Some people know from experience how to keep a grow room in check. I’m not disagreeing with anyone. All I’m putting out there are ways to make it easier for the inexperienced grower. Following a VPD chart will make life easier for anyone it’s scientifically proven.
there are so many factors
Light intensity
Temperature
Humidity
Leaf temperatures
Nutrient EC

with out checking vpd a good grower knows lower light intensity, lower nutrients etc. you can adjust from there as the plants talk to you. No way is the wrong way. But following VPD def makes it easier for the inexperienced. You guys are so quick to get insulted without thinking about what people are trying to get across. No one was attacked or called out just information that should be learned. I know it’s hard this day in age with all you soft ass sensitive mfers. With you all the best. Happy growing!

Oh, most failures with new growers comes from overwatering, over nutrient use or too much lighting for their plants size, why throw another variable at them until they have the basics down making them think that all the problems are coming from VPD ? VPD out of range is not the most common problem they face.

 

[strongbow19]

Would just like to say that this is one of the most informative threads on LED growing on the whole internet.

I recently started up a grow and had between 18 C and 20 C throughout the 4 weeks veg and they started showing heavy tiger stripes and the start of brown spots a few days ago, and I went out and bought a heater after discovering this thread. I am now having day time temps of around 25 26 max and running the exhaust on stop and go to reduce usage of heater and also have the heater on a temp controller and then keeping the humidity between 62 and 76 during the day. 17 degrees and 60 humidity at lights off.

But now, after I changed the environment up a bit like mentioned above they are now getting burned tips and also their EC runoff is now a bit higher than the input, where it literally was the opposite when I ran the low shit temps I would give 1.6 EC and they would have a run off 1.3. Now it's 1.5 input and 1.7 1.8 run off. I saw a comment on here that a guy also had opposite reaction on EC when he tuned his VPD for the better.

Temp of leaf surface is 1 degree less than ambient.

They are clones from mothers that was fed 1.6 EC all their life.

My question is why? I thought they would now embrace even more light and use better nutes. (Not that I changed the light distance or anything.)

Never thought I'd have so many pit falls staring up a LED grow room and so many things to buy, it's sad really.
Have been growing outdoors in 100% coco since 2014. Have never tried my hands at indoor.

What should I do now, any input would be appreciated.

 

[jarvild]

Would just like to say that this is one of the most informative threads on LED growing on the whole internet.

I recently started up a grow and had between 18 C and 20 C throughout the 4 weeks veg and they started showing heavy tiger stripes and the start of brown spots a few days ago, and I went out and bought a heater after discovering this thread. I am now having day time temps of around 25 26 max and running the exhaust on stop and go to reduce usage of heater and also have the heater on a temp controller and then keeping the humidity between 62 and 76 during the day. 17 degrees and 60 humidity at lights off.

But now, after I changed the environment up a bit like mentioned above they are now getting burned tips and also their EC runoff is now a bit higher than the input, where it literally was the opposite when I ran the low shit temps I would give 1.6 EC and they would have a run off 1.3. Now it's 1.5 input and 1.7 1.8 run off. I saw a comment on here that a guy also had opposite reaction on EC when he tuned his VPD for the better.

Temp of leaf surface is 1 degree less than ambient.

They are clones from mothers that was fed 1.6 EC all their life.

My question is why? I thought they would now embrace even more light and use better nutes. (Not that I changed the light distance or anything.)

Never thought I'd have so many pit falls staring up a LED grow room and so many things to buy, it's sad really.
Have been growing outdoors in 100% coco since 2014. Have never tried my hands at indoor.

What should I do now, any input would be appreciated.

Are you adding Co2 to your grow ?

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Would just like to say that this is one of the most informative threads on LED growing on the whole internet.

I recently started up a grow and had between 18 C and 20 C throughout the 4 weeks veg and they started showing heavy tiger stripes and the start of brown spots a few days ago, and I went out and bought a heater after discovering this thread. I am now having day time temps of around 25 26 max and running the exhaust on stop and go to reduce usage of heater and also have the heater on a temp controller and then keeping the humidity between 62 and 76 during the day. 17 degrees and 60 humidity at lights off.

But now, after I changed the environment up a bit like mentioned above they are now getting burned tips and also their EC runoff is now a bit higher than the input, where it literally was the opposite when I ran the low shit temps I would give 1.6 EC and they would have a run off 1.3. Now it's 1.5 input and 1.7 1.8 run off. I saw a comment on here that a guy also had opposite reaction on EC when he tuned his VPD for the better.

Temp of leaf surface is 1 degree less than ambient.

They are clones from mothers that was fed 1.6 EC all their life.

My question is why? I thought they would now embrace even more light and use better nutes. (Not that I changed the light distance or anything.)

Never thought I'd have so many pit falls staring up a LED grow room and so many things to buy, it's sad really.
Have been growing outdoors in 100% coco since 2014. Have never tried my hands at indoor.

What should I do now, any input would be appreciated.

More heat = more transpiration. More transpiration means more water(nutrients) being pulled into the leaves.

Has your humidity changed at all since increasing ambient temps?

 

[strongbow19]

More heat = more transpiration. More transpiration means more water(nutrients) being pulled into the leaves.

Has your humidity changed at all since increasing ambient temps?

Thanks man so how do I approach this situation, what must I do? Lower EC or what?

I couldn't remember what the humidity was before the changes probably around mid 50s, but now like I said am running between 62 - 75 humidity by keeping the exhaust fan on a start stop to keep up the temps more for the measly 420watt heater I have. Plants are week 5 veg.

 

[jarvild]

Post 270- those never saw temps above 76 degrees and never cared about VPD, dehuey set at 50-60% full run

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Thanks man so how do I approach this situation, what must I do? Lower EC or what?

I couldn't remember what the humidity was before the changes probably around mid 50s, but now like I said am running between 62 - 75 humidity by keeping the exhaust fan on a start stop to keep up the temps more for the measly 420watt heater I have. Plants are week 5 veg.

Well if the tips are burning yea try lowering it by 0.2EC until happy. Hard to see improvement on burnt tips but keep an eye on new growth if still vegging