Fuck Israel

YardG

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Damn. Ive never been happy with the way Israel was given life, displacing 600k locals due to WW2 guilt, to have a country surrouded by mortal enemies. It boggles the mind what world leaders were thinking at the time.
Probably that it was more convenient to resettle displaced European Jews in a place they had historical ties to that was largely populated by brown people rather than give them back what was theirs in Europe?

There's a ton to criticize about Israel policy, without more tying Israel directly to the assassination this doesn't seem like an actual launching-off point.
 

DaFreak

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I doubt they killed a quite man who just worked in his office as one of the people in the article stated. I trust Israel to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions more than America. I believe that if Israel was in charge 9'11 would have been stopped and the following wars would have been avoided. I also believe they would have killed their targets without tissues or doubting themselves. All comments welcome.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i was sympathetic to the israelis when i was a kid, read leon uris's trinity, which colored my thinking for quite a while, until i started watching the news and seeing just how bloodthirsty and vengeful they had become, after displacing an indigenous population on the basis of a book of mythological tales...i have very little sympathy for them now. everyone deserves a safe place to call home, but not at the cost of displacing innocent people, for no better reason than an extensive campaign designed to make Truman and other important leaders feel sympathy for them.
i don't hate jews, i don't hate anyone for their religious preferences, i just pity them all for letting mythology control so much of their lives, but i have very little use for the entire "nation" of israel
 

DaFreak

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It’s not just religion though is it? If all the Jews were atheist what would you have? A country who’s neighbors want wiped from the Earth.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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It’s not just religion though is it? If all the Jews were atheist what would you have? A country who’s neighbors want wiped from the Earth.
you wouldn't have anything...judaism isn't a race, it's a creed, a religion that binds people together. if they were all atheist, we wouldn't be having this "conversation"...they would be non-entities on the world game board, with nothing to tie them together, and no carefully built support base among sympathetic world leaders, most of whom are only sympathetic because it gives the rest of the middle east a target close to home, and is perceived as a way to "reduce global terrorism"...which is another way to say they're using one group to control another group that they see as "even worse"...not the best basis for a relationship
 

schuylaar

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Damn. Ive never been happy with the way Israel was given life, displacing 600k locals due to WW2 guilt, to have a country surrouded by mortal enemies. It boggles the mind what world leaders were thinking at the time.
the israelis are currenty throwing palestinians out of their homes.


bible is not a deed to land.
 

DaFreak

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you wouldn't have anything...judaism isn't a race, it's a creed, a religion that binds people together. if they were all atheist, we wouldn't be having this "conversation"...they would be non-entities on the world game board, with nothing to tie them together, and no carefully built support base among sympathetic world leaders, most of whom are only sympathetic because it gives the rest of the middle east a target close to home, and is perceived as a way to "reduce global terrorism"...which is another way to say they're using one group to control another group that they see as "even worse"...not the best basis for a relationship
Sure sure, hitler was trying to kill a religion.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Sure sure, hitler was trying to kill a religion.
https://divinity.uchicago.edu/sightings/articles/jews-and-judaism-religion-and-identity

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/judge-rules-judaism-not-race-jewish-people-can-be-targeted-ncna896806

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/12/jews-whiteness/509606/

he was trying to kill an ideology, but even more, he was using the jews as a scapegoat to blame the problems of his nation and his political movement on...had nothing to do with them being a race or not
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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No, for a deed you normally have to kill somebody, take their land then sell it.
you must live in a very different part of the world than i do, round here we just buy land...all the "murder" was done a long time ago, by people i never knew, to people i never met...just like every other person alive right now...if you want to make room in russia (where you seem to be from) we'll all be glad to give the country back to the american indians and come live with you all :roll: better pick up some snacks, we're usually hungry
 

mooray

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Israel is a real love/hate for me. One the one hand, their society is so much less barbaric and is far more rights-oriented than their neighbors, but when it comes to their side of the conflict with palestine, I don't see much difference in behavior and am unable to perceive them as having the morally superior position.
 

DaFreak

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you must live in a very different part of the world than i do, round here we just buy land...all the "murder" was done a long time ago, by people i never knew, to people i never met...just like every other person alive right now...if you want to make room in russia (where you seem to be from) we'll all be glad to give the country back to the american indians and come live with you all :roll: better pick up some snacks, we're usually hungry
You missed my point. You're too hung on up religion.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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You missed my point. You're too hung on up religion.
no, your point was that we took America from the indians by force, then sold their land off....which is true, but is true of EVERY country in the world...not one nation in existence today was formed peacefully, and if we're going to start pointing fingers, they're going to be pointing at EVERYONE but the indigenous populations that were displaced by the expansionism of their one time neighbors
oh, btw, my previous answer had nothing to do with religion... :roll:
 

DaFreak

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no, your point was that we took America from the indians by force, then sold their land off....which is true, but is true of EVERY country in the world...not one nation in existence today was formed peacefully, and if we're going to start pointing fingers, they're going to be pointing at EVERYONE but the indigenous populations that were displaced by the expansionism of their one time neighbors
oh, btw, my previous answer had nothing to do with religion... :roll:
And they have a legit claim to the land is my point.
 

injinji

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Damn. Ive never been happy with the way Israel was given life, displacing 600k locals due to WW2 guilt, to have a country surrouded by mortal enemies. It boggles the mind what world leaders were thinking at the time.
Blame a good deal of it on the UK. They told both the Jews and the Palestinians that they would get a state if they helped fight Germany. They both helped.

But the main reason was no one in Europe wanted to be reminded of what they had done.
 
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