Climate in the 21st Century

[nuskool89]

Only one factor is contributing to the rapid change in global climate. It's a rise in human release of greenhouse gasses, aka burning fossil fuels.

There is no other.

You’re still wrong. You tried to slightly broaden and cover by adding the greenhouse gasses part, but still not enough.

 

[Fogdog]

You’re still wrong. You tried to slightly broaden and cover by adding the greenhouse gasses part, but still not enough.

There is only one major factor -- industrial burning of fossil fuels -- associated with the rapid change in global climate. Apparently somebody told you otherwise. If there are factors, name them and provide reference material.

 

[Fogdog]

The science regarding human causes of global climate change is settled.

How Do We Know that Humans Are the Major Cause of Global Warming?

A straightforward explanation of how we know that humans cause global warming, using charts, graphs, and plain language.

www.ucsusa.org

Fossil fuel fingerprinting
We know that CO2 warms the world, that CO2 concentrations are at record-breaking levels, and that global temperatures are rising. But how do we know for certain that humans are the cause?
The answer is in the science. The CO2 produced from fossil fuels carries a unique signature that differentiates it from CO2 produced from other sources. In brief, it carries a specific ratio of carbon isotopes that is only found in the atmosphere when coal, oil, or gas is burned.
Scientists call this δ13C (pronounced "delta C thirteen"), and it’s a smoking gun. Since the 1880s, δ13C has changed in a way that could only happen if CO2 was increasingly coming from fossil fuel sources.
This information tells scientists that human-caused fossil fuel emissions have been the main contributor to the rise in CO2 concentrations since the pre-industrial era.

 

[Three Berries]

The end result of Climate Change as far as the human species is the same no matter which way we go. If it goes crazy and we turn into Venus we die, if we cut energy use and CO2 to barely livable standards we die.

No clue as to how in the world we will live without plastic or other petroleum products. The Left says just give me your tax money and we will fix it., makes it sound so easy even a Cave Man can do it.

 

[CatHedral]

The end result of Climate Change as far as the human species is the same no matter which way we go. If it goes crazy and we turn into Venus we die, if we cut energy use and CO2 to barely livable standards we die.

No clue as to how in the world we will live without plastic or other petroleum products. The Left says just give me your tax money and we will fix it., makes it sound so easy even a Cave Man can do it.

Cite paragraph 1.

 

[nuskool89]

There is only one major factor -- industrial burning of fossil fuels -- associated with the rapid change in global climate. Apparently somebody told you otherwise. If there are factors, name them and provide reference material.

actually the burden of proof is on you. Your pointed comment in post #316 dismisses entirely any and all other factors contributing to a warming climate. You made it in response to post #315. Now you have to provide proof fossil fuels are the only reason the climate is warming. But you’re wrong so you won’t.


Just for starters, Clear cutting is one you should include in any talks of a “solution” to specifically human induced climate warming. One won’t work without the other. We are all utterly fucked, if on our way to this carbon neutral utopia, there isn’t a drastic change in countries like

(India, China, Brazil, Venezuela, Congo, Gabon, and the list goes on and on)

and how much forest is cleared. It will really start to shock you when you find out how damaging to forests and water sources the mining for all the materials to make things that are supposed to fuel the green energy revolution.



This is reality:

Parts Of The Amazon Rainforest Are Now Releasing More Carbon Than They Absorb

New research published in the journal Nature suggests that mass deforestation and fire have dramatically undercut the Amazon's ability to absorb heat-trapping carbon emissions.

www.npr.org

(I made sure to use npr and not the fox link so it’s not just a conspiracy)

edit: and in true NPR fashion, they’re sure to include an anti conservative/right tid bit that simpletons will latch on to as the only information in the article lol. Blame Bolsenero!

 

[UncleBuck]

The Left says just give me your tax money and we will fix it.

who said that foreigner

 

[UncleBuck]

It will really start to shock you when you find out how damaging to forests and water sources the mining for all the materials to make things that are supposed to fuel the green energy revolution

wait so you actually listen to ben shapiro?

 

[nuskool89]

wait so you actually listen to ben shapiro?

you don’t?

 

[Fogdog]

actually the burden of proof is on you. Your pointed comment in post #316 dismisses entirely any and all other factors contributing to a warming climate. You made it in response to post #315. Now you have to provide proof fossil fuels are the only reason the climate is warming. But you’re wrong so you won’t.


Just for starters, Clear cutting is one you should include in any talks of a “solution” to specifically human induced climate warming. One won’t work without the other. We are all utterly fucked, if on our way to this carbon neutral utopia, there isn’t a drastic change in countries like

(India, China, Brazil, Venezuela, Congo, Gabon, and the list goes on and on)

and how much forest is cleared. It will really start to shock you when you find out how damaging to forests and water sources the mining for all the materials to make things that are supposed to fuel the green energy revolution.



This is reality:

Parts Of The Amazon Rainforest Are Now Releasing More Carbon Than They Absorb

New research published in the journal Nature suggests that mass deforestation and fire have dramatically undercut the Amazon's ability to absorb heat-trapping carbon emissions.

www.npr.org

(I made sure to use npr and not the fox link so it’s not just a conspiracy)

Yes, the rainforests are releasing more carbon than they absorb but that does not mean it's the main cause of global warming. That is a real reach you did right there. Especially when the evidence goes against your assertion. The isotope signature of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere shows the source of recent rapid rise in carbon dioxide. I posted this just a few back. Here it is again:

The science regarding human causes of global climate change is settled.

How Do We Know that Humans Are the Major Cause of Global Warming?

A straightforward explanation of how we know that humans cause global warming, using charts, graphs, and plain language.

www.ucsusa.org

Fossil fuel fingerprinting
We know that CO2 warms the world, that CO2 concentrations are at record-breaking levels, and that global temperatures are rising. But how do we know for certain that humans are the cause?
The answer is in the science. The CO2 produced from fossil fuels carries a unique signature that differentiates it from CO2 produced from other sources. In brief, it carries a specific ratio of carbon isotopes that is only found in the atmosphere when coal, oil, or gas is burned.
Scientists call this δ13C (pronounced "delta C thirteen"), and it’s a smoking gun. Since the 1880s, δ13C has changed in a way that could only happen if CO2 was increasingly coming from fossil fuel sources.
This information tells scientists that human-caused fossil fuel emissions have been the main contributor to the rise in CO2 concentrations since the pre-industrial era.


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The burden of proof is on you. Show us how clear cutting is the main cause of global climate change? Not a teensy factor but the main cause.

The main cause of global warming is industrial burning and release of carbon dioxide. Everything else is tiny and inconsequential. The science is settled.

 

[Fogdog]

The end result of Climate Change as far as the human species is the same no matter which way we go. If it goes crazy and we turn into Venus we die, if we cut energy use and CO2 to barely livable standards we die.

No clue as to how in the world we will live without plastic or other petroleum products. The Left says just give me your tax money and we will fix it., makes it sound so easy even a Cave Man can do it.

I agree that you have no clue.

I agree that the wealthy, who have benefitted most from recent rises in productivity in part due to industrial activity should pay for the problems they caused, including human caused climate change.

 

[hanimmal]

Human caused climate crisis pretty much sums it up.

One thing you guys are also not bringing up is shit farming practices that destroys biodiversity and releases a shit ton of pollutants as well.

Everything we are burning over the last couple hundred years coupled with the destruction of the millennia growth of plant life across the planet that would have been there to help clean up our mess has been a catastrophe.


On a side note, I thought that California lost their minds with banning leaf blowers, but it turns out that they are horrible for the environment. I thought that it was just a bitchy neighbor complaining about noise thing.
https://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm

 

[UncleBuck]

you don’t?

well im not a mentally retarded racist so no

 

[Fogdog]

Human caused climate crisis pretty much sums it up.

One thing you guys are also not bringing up is shit farming practices that destroys biodiversity and releases a shit ton of pollutants as well.

Everything we are burning over the last couple hundred years coupled with the destruction of the millennia growth of plant life across the planet that would have been there to help clean up our mess has been a catastrophe.


On a side note, I thought that California lost their minds with banning leaf blowers, but it turns out that they are horrible for the environment. I thought that it was just a bitchy neighbor complaining about noise thing.
https://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm
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not to mention the abandon with which they spray poisons onto their yards. Organic farmers have more problems with their rural residential neighbors spraying and drift from their spray contaminating their fields than they do with neighbors who farm conventionally.

 

[nuskool89]

Way to spin your way out of that one guy. Lol.

Your fervent need to be right, doesn’t dismiss you being wrong. You’re moving the goal posts with every post.

your article doesn’t address, or dismiss entirely other contributing factors.

 

[mooray]

Human caused climate crisis pretty much sums it up.

One thing you guys are also not bringing up is shit farming practices that destroys biodiversity and releases a shit ton of pollutants as well.

Everything we are burning over the last couple hundred years coupled with the destruction of the millennia growth of plant life across the planet that would have been there to help clean up our mess has been a catastrophe.


On a side note, I thought that California lost their minds with banning leaf blowers, but it turns out that they are horrible for the environment. I thought that it was just a bitchy neighbor complaining about noise thing.
https://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm
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Wow, had no idea.

Literally just mowed the lawn, btw. It stinks up the whole yard and house and my clothes. Might start looking into something else..

 

[UncleBuck]

Way to spin your way out of that one guy. Lol.

Your fervent need to be right, doesn’t dismiss you being wrong. You’re moving the goal posts with every post.

your article doesn’t address, or dismiss entirely other contributing factors.

and you actually quoted ben shapiro?

 

[nuskool89]

and you actually quoted ben shapiro?

Ok I’ll admit I responded in pure troll to your troll without actually knowing what you’re getting at. What Ben Shapiro quote I don’t get it?

 

[hanimmal]

Wow, had no idea.

Literally just mowed the lawn, btw. It stinks up the whole yard and house and my clothes. Might start looking into something else..

Same here, it was kind of eye opening when I heard that.

 

[Fogdog]

Way to spin your way out of that one guy. Lol.

Your fervent need to be right, doesn’t dismiss you being wrong. You’re moving the goal posts with every post.

your article doesn’t address, or dismiss entirely other contributing factors.

There are no other major factors. Burning fossil fuels for industrial activity is the major driver of recent global climate change. How can I say it in other ways?

Greenhouse gases
The main driver of climate change is the greenhouse effect. Some gases in the Earth's atmosphere act a bit like the glass in a greenhouse, trapping the sun's heat and stopping it from leaking back into space and causing global warming.
Many of these greenhouse gases occur naturally, but human activity is increasing the concentrations of some of them in the atmosphere, in particular:

• carbon dioxide (CO2)
• methane
• nitrous oxide
• fluorinated gases

CO2 produced by human activities is the largest contributor to global warming. By 2020, its concentration in the atmosphere had risen to 48% above its pre-industrial level (before 1750).

Other greenhouse gases are emitted by human activity in smaller quantities. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, but has a shorter atmospheric lifetime. Nitrous oxide, like CO2, is a long-lived greenhouse gas that accumulates in the atmosphere over decades to centuries.
Natural causes, such as changes in solar radiation or volcanic activity are estimated to have contributed less than plus or minus 0.1°C to total warming between 1890 and 2010.

The science is settled.

How many pictures do you need?

Climate Change Indicators: Climate Forcing | US EPA

This indicator measures the “radiative forcing” or heating effect caused by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

www.epa.gov

• Of the greenhouse gases shown in Figure 1, carbon dioxide accounts for by far the largest share of radiative forcing since 1990, and its contribution continues to grow at a steady rate. Carbon dioxide alone would account for a 36-percent increase in radiative forcing since 1990.

The isotope signature of CO2 provides objective evidence that the source for increased carbon dioxide is fossil fuel.

you : bbbut what about the cows and rainforest?

lulz Do you even understand what an isotope is and what "isotope signature" means?