[URGENT] PLANTS ARE OUTGROWING TENT

Flowki

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Use this method for week 3 flower, defoliate your plants remove all the big leaves from the 3rd set down. This video helped me a lot in my last grow, I had a similar problem to you. Remove a shit load of leaves strip them naked, it will also help you keep your Humidity down as there will be a lot less leaf. Don't be scared to defoliate your plants it helps keep the humidity down in the flowering stage and it also helps you get better light penetration for bigger buds. And all the leaves will grow back within 2 or 3 weeks.
Sorry but you can not prove upper defoliation definitely increases yield, so else don't suggest it, it has far more chance of reducing yield.

His light looks to be underpowered to begin with, so removing leaves nearest them is down right stupid.
 

helluvagrower

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Not like you have a choice now ;p. Not trying to be rude to other posters, but you shouldn't jump at the first piece of advice in future.
Thanks and I didn’t jump at the first piece of advice I’ve been doing research all day and supercropping/defoliation was basically the way to go in my situation
 

helluvagrower

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Sorry but you can not prove upper defoliation definitely increases yield, so else don't suggest it, it has far more chance of reducing yield.

His light looks to be underpowered to begin with, so removing leaves nearest them is down right stupid.
Yes it’s my light I’m planning on upgrading to the Mars hydro ts1000
 

Flowki

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Thanks and I didn’t jump at the first piece of advice I’ve been doing research all day and supercropping/defoliation was basically the way to go in my situation
Go into denial if you want, it wasn't the best way. Although loli popping would have made sense, that's not the same as indiscriminate mass defoliation. You only remove leaves that the light intensity has no reach too. For your situation you shouldn't be touching any leaves from the top surface to ''about'' 8 inches below that, maybe 12" since your canopy isn't exactly flat.
 

mudballs

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First attempt at supercropping one how did I do?
You'll know by the end of the day how they reacted. I've suppercropped in flower and as long as you dont sever the internal plumbing the branch will just keep going full throttle like nothing happened. By end of day or in the morning they'll have turned back up towards light
 

Flowki

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You'll know by the end of the day how they reacted. I've suppercropped in flower and as long as you dont sever the internal plumbing the branch will just keep going full throttle like nothing happened. By end of day or in the morning they'll have turned back up towards light
Turning back up to the light under a net, with no stem damage, and then turning back upto the light, while having to do mass stem repairs isn't the same thing. They will obviously recover, but lets not pretend it's the same thing. I'm not trying to get at you, as you are not wrong.
 

helluvagrower

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Turning back up to the light under a net, with no stem damage, and then turning back upto the light, while having to do mass stem repairs isn't the same thing. They will obviously recover, but lets not pretend it's the same thing.
Turning back up to the light under a net, with no stem damage, and then turning back upto the light, while having to do mass stem repairs isn't the same thing. They will obviously recover, but lets not pretend it's the same thing.
Go into denial if you want, it wasn't the best way.
Well the damage is already done so it really doesn’t matter anymore my guy
 

lusidghost

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Sorry but you can not prove upper defoliation definitely increases yield, so else don't suggest it, it has far more chance of reducing yield.
No one really says it increases yield. It just improves the quality of the overall yield. Please prove that it decreases yield or shut up.
 

Flowki

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No one really says it increases yield. It just improves the quality of the overall yield. Please prove that it decreases yield or shut up.
I can't tell if you are trolling but here it is. No, It makes the larf not look like larf, at the expense of top bud weight, that isn't boosting over all quality, it's losing yield to make ugly ducklings less ugly. Stripping leaves that were already in good light also drastically reduces respiration rate and leaf temps, you starve the plant of energy, and then force it to spend time making more leaves to be able to function properly again. All ''pro'' defoliators say the same thing ''You have to know when to do it and how much''. What they really mean is ''you have to take away leaves that are not of real use to begin with''. If the upper leaves are of no use, you've fked something up, or you just don't get it.

The only possible way defoliation ''could'' repeatable increase yield is if you had too much W, say 1k hps, and you were trying to force use it over too small a space, say a 3x3. You have logistically fked up in the dimension/light W amount, so the inferior plan B, is to increase the dimension and available bud sites vertically, by butchering all the top and middle leaves to develop lower and middle bud. The real way to do it, and to get more yield and quality.. would be to scrog or sog a 5x5. That way you don't have to stunt and butcher the plants most important upper leaves, that are already in the most optimal light and leaf temp range achievable. If you increase your ambiants to increase the lower or middle leaf temps, then your top canopy temp is going to fry the upper canopy. Although that would not be as much an issue with led, you could increase general ambiant.. the problem you still have, in both situations, is that mass defoliation will also drop your humidity a lot.. so your vpd is way out of line compared to the ambient to maintain leaf temps. If you tried to correct that by using a humidifier, you don't have enough leaves left over and the added humidity would simply slow down respiration even further.

Now you go ahead and look up the graveyard of failed defoliatio grows around here, and look for the key words ''don't take too much or you will stunt them''. So basically, they take just enough so they don't notice the stunting, but it's still there. Then they shout from the roof tops how they cracked the secret of defoliation.
 
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xtsho

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I don't understand why you haven't flipped those plants to flower already? Why would you let them get so tall in the first place? You don't have to LST or top. You just have to flip them sooner if you're just going to let them grow the way you did.
 

lusidghost

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You may need to support the branches if you super crop them during flower.
I can't tell if you are trolling but here it is. No, It makes the larf not look like larf, at the expense of top bud weight, that isn't boosting over all quality, it's losing yield to make ugly ducklings less ugly. Stripping leaves that were already in good light also drastically reduces respiration rate and leaf temps, you starve the plant of energy, and then force it to spend time making more leaves to be able to function properly again. All ''pro'' defoliators say the same thing ''You have to know when to do it and how much''. What they really mean is ''you have to take away leaves that are not of real use to begin with''. If the upper leaves are of no use, you've fked something up, or you just don't get it.

The only possible way defoliation ''could'' repeatable increase yield is if you had too much W, say 1k hps, and you were trying to force use it over too small a space, say a 3x3. You have logistically fked up in the dimension/light W amount, so the inferior plan B, is to increase the dimension and available bud sites vertically, by butchering all the top and middle leaves to develop lower and middle bud. The real way to do it, and to get more yield and quality.. would be to scrog or sog a 5x5. That way you don't have to stunt and butcher the plants most important upper leaves, that are already in the most optimal light and leaf temp range achievable. If you increase your ambiants to increase the lower or middle leaf temps, then your top canopy temp is going to fry the upper canopy. Although that would not be as much an issue with led, you could increase general ambiant.. the problem you still have, in both situations, is that mass defoliation will also drop your humidity a lot.. so your vpd is way out of line compared to the ambient to maintain leaf temps. If you tried to correct that by using a humidifier, you don't have enough leaves left over and the added humidity would simply slow down respiration even further.

Now you go ahead and look up the graveyard of failed defoliatio grows around here, and look for the key words ''don't take too much or you will stunt them''. So basically, they take just enough so they don't notice the stunting, but it's still there. Then they shout from the roof tops how they cracked the secret of defoliation.
My humidity is too low in flower? Word. My colas aren't massive because I scrog, but I assure you that I'm consistency pulling satisfactory weight from my uppers.

Also that doesn't look like proof, that looks like a bunch of plausibly intuitive beliefs without any sort of real world experience. Now show me these graveyards of failed defoliation grows.
 

helluvagrower

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I don't understand why you haven't flipped those plants to flower already? Why would you let them get so tall in the first place? You don't have to LST or top. You just have to flip them sooner if you're just going to let them grow the way you did.
I have flipped to flower this is the 3rd week of flower.
 
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