War is Over

[Jimdamick]

Holy fuck, for the 1st time since WW2 essentially (1st Korea then Vietnam/Panama/Grenada/Lebanon/Kuwait/Iraq/Syria and until this week Afghanistan), we don't have troops in an active combat situation.
I've never existed in a situation like this before.
Really
Sad isn't it.
No more casualty reports to read to pass the time
No more yellow ribbons or Gold stars to get sad over.
It sounds like it going to get pretty boring soon, right?

Fat fucking chance, we'll find something to do somewhere else and find some excuse to build up the military and use it.

Historically, that's what we do, we are a warrior nation.




Always was and always will be

Wanna bet?

This seems appropriate (Did they play it when they left Kabul?)

 

[carlsbarn]

What a beautiful thing to have my home country not be actively engaged in war for the first time in my life. I don't even want to be cynical. Want to carry this light of peace as far as possible.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

 

[CatHedral]

I dont really agree. The era between the fall of Saigon and the air war over Iraq was seventeen years of peace, interrupted by mostly quick mugging like Panama and Grenada.

I think we were at peace between the Gulf War and Gulf War Jr. but am not sure and cant be arsed to Google it.

 

[printer]

Even with the fact Biden screwed up Afghanistan (although it would just have taken weeks rather than days) getting out and dusting off the hands will ultimatly be seen as a plus. I hope they get out the people that helped the Western countries. Pretty sure it will be hard to avoid Taliban checkpoints all their own to get out of the country.

 

[injinji]

Not to rain on anyone parade, but special forces. . . . . .

 

[topcat]

War is over...if you want it.

 

[Jimdamick]

What a beautiful thing to have my home country not be actively engaged in war for the first time in my life

Yea, right?
It's time for a little while at least to put the guns down
Savor it, I am
Well, I'm going pull out my never used peace pipe & stuff it & puff it
This bowls for you, all of you who have served
Thanks, it's appreciated.

This is apropos I think

 

[topcat]

There's about 300,000 of you fuckers out there. I want you to start singin'...

 

[Rob Roy]

Now hold your horses folks!!!

The war on drugs is still raging and there are still many P.O.W.s languishing in the USA's domestic gulags.

Coming soon, the war against the "unvaccinated" .

 

[Rob Roy]

I dont really agree. The era between the fall of Saigon and the air war over Iraq was seventeen years of peace, interrupted by mostly quick mugging like Panama and Grenada.

I think we were at peace between the Gulf War and Gulf War Jr. but am not sure and cant be arsed to Google it.

While I like all the people celebrating what they believe is peace, it ain't so.

Just because there may not be a hot war, doesn't mean there is peace.

When the USA occupies a country that isn't capable militarily of kicking the aggressors out, hence there is no active fighting, what exists isn't "peace". It is a form of imposed order, since the threat of force by the USA is omnipresent. Imposed order and Peace are two distinctly separate things.

The USA is not a peaceful government and never has been, ever.

 

[CatHedral]

While I like all the people celebrating what they believe is peace, it ain't so.

Just because there may not be a hot war, doesn't mean there is peace.

When the USA occupies a country that isn't capable militarily of kicking the aggressors out, hence there is no active fighting, what exists isn't "peace". It is a form of imposed order, since the threat of force by the USA is omnipresent. Imposed order and Peace are two distinctly separate things.

The USA is not a peaceful government and never has been, ever.

Living in a family is also imposed order.

There is no, nor has there ever been an, independent society with its own sovereign territory, that made mutualism work. I would like to know which nation (of a thousand or more individuals), current or historic, came closest to executing your vision.

 

[HGCC]

The anarchist idea of freedom of association, cohersive vs. voluntary is really fascinating to me.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Holy fuck, for the 1st time since WW2 essentially (1st Korea then Vietnam/Panama/Grenada/Lebanon/Kuwait/Iraq/Syria and until this week Afghanistan), we don't have troops in an active combat situation.
I've never existed in a situation like this before.
Really
Sad isn't it.
No more casualty reports to read to pass the time
No more yellow ribbons or Gold stars to get sad over.
It sounds like it going to get pretty boring soon, right?

Fat fucking chance, we'll find something to do somewhere else and find some excuse to build up the military and use it.

Historically, that's what we do, we are a warrior nation.

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Always was and always will be

Wanna bet?

This seems appropriate (Did they play it when they left Kabul?)

Two words: Nor-Way.

They have been asking for it for a while.

 

[hanimmal]

The anarchist idea of freedom of association, cohersive vs. voluntary is really fascinating to me.

 

[Jimdamick]

The era between the fall of Saigon and the air war over Iraq was seventeen years of peace

Not quite
1982, Beirut, Lebanon



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[Rob Roy]

Living in a family is also imposed order.

There is no, nor has there ever been an, independent society with its own sovereign territory, that made mutualism work. I would like to know which nation (of a thousand or more individuals), current or historic, came closest to executing your vision.

People in 1898, "flying machines< that shit will NEVER HAPPEN" .

Also your point is dubious, and even if it weren't how does that mean individual liberty is a bad thing?


Okay, I'll give you one example, Robinson Crusoe had his own fucking island. Everything was fine until he enslaved the dark guy on Friday.

 

[doublejj]

No American soldiers will die on foreign soil in the name of peace....

 

[Jimdamick]

When the USA occupies a country

But, an argument can be made that we/the USA have never "occupied" a counrty, such as Germany did in WW2 or the Soviet Union/Russia did in Eastern Europe & Ukraine/Crimea or Israel is doing now in Palestine.
We used the excuse that we actually were peacemakers (Can you believe that shit?)
Vietnam wasnt a war, it was a "police action"
We have always acted at the request of a foreign nation, be it for a murderer or not.
If it was in the supposed interest of the USA or a corporation (see Iran 1953/Vietnam 1955 & to keep it simple, on this continent alone,
see below

Location	Period	Type of Force	Comments on U.S. Role
Argentina	1890	Troops	Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile	1891	Troops	Marines clash with nationalist rebels
Haiti	1891	Troops	Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated
Nicaragua	1894	Troops	Month-long occupation of Bluefields
Panama	1895	Naval, troops	Marines land in Colombian province
Nicaragua	1896	Troops	Marines land in port of Corinto
Cuba	1898-	Naval, troops	Seized from Spain, U.S. still holds Navy base at Guantanamo
Puerto Rico	1898-	Naval, troops	Seized from Spain, occupation continues
Nicaragua	1898	Troops	Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur
Nicaragua	1899	Troops	Marines land at port of Bluefields
Honduras	1903	Troops	Marines intervene in revolution
Dominican Republic	1903-04	Troops	U.S. interests protected in Revolution
Cuba	1906-09	Troops	Marines land in democratic election
Nicaragua	1907	Troops	"Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up
Honduras	1907	Troops	Marines land during war with Nicaragua
Panama	1908	Troops	Marines intervene in election contest
Nicaragua	1910	Troops	Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto
Honduras	1911	Troops	U.S. interests protected in civil war
Cuba	1912	Troops	U.S. interests protected in Havana
Panama	1912	Troops	Marines land during heated election
Honduras	1912	Troops	Marines protect U.S. economic interests
Nicaragua	1912-33	Troops, bombing	20-year occupation, fought guerrillas
Mexico	1913	Naval	Americans evacuated during revolution
Dominican Republic	1914	Naval	Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo
Mexico	1914-18	Naval, troops	Series of interventions against nationalists
Haiti	1914-34	Troops, bombing	19-year occupation after revolts
Dominican Republic	1916-24	Troops	8-year Marine occupation
Cuba	1917-33	Troops	Military occupation, economic protectorate
Panama	1918-20	Troops	"Police duty" during unrest after elections
Honduras	1919	Troops	Marines land during election campaign
Guatemala	1920	Troops	2-week intervention against unionists
Costa Rica	1921	Troops
Panama	1921	Troops
Honduras	1924-25	Troops	Landed twice during election strife
Panama	1925	Troops	Marines suppress general strike
El Salvador	1932	Naval	Warships sent during Faribundo Marti revolt
Uruguay	1947	Nuclear threat	Bombers deployed as show of strength
Puerto Rico	1950	Command operation	Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce
Guatemala	1954-?	Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat	CIA directs exile invasion and coup d'Etat after newly elected government nationalizes unused U.S.'s United Fruit Company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua; long-term result: 200,000 murdered
Panama	1958	Troops	Flag protests erupt into confrontation
Cuba	1961	Command operation	CIA-directed exile invasion fails
Cuba	1962	Nuclear threat, naval	Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union
Panama	1964	Troops	Panamanians shot for urging canal's return
Dominican Republic	1965-66	Troops, bombing	Marines land during election campaign
Guatemala	1966-67	Command operation	Green Berets intervene against rebels
Chile	1973	Command operation	CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president
El Salvador	1981-92	Command operation, troops	Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash; long-term result: 75,000 murdered and destruction of popular movement
Nicaragua	1981-90	Command operation, naval	CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution; result: 50,000 murdered
Honduras	1982-90	Troops	Maneuvers help build bases near borders
Grenada	1983-84	Troops, bombing	Invasion four years after revolution
Bolivia	1987	Troops	Army assists raids on cocaine region
Panama	1989	Troops, bombing	Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed
Haiti	1994-95	Troops, naval	Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup
Venezuela	2002	Command operation	Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez
Haiti	2004-	Troops	Removal of democratically elected President Aristide; troops occupy country
Honduras	2009	Command operation	Support for coup that removed president Manuel Zelaya

Sources:

 

[CatHedral]

People in 1898, "flying machines< that shit will NEVER HAPPEN" .

Also your point is dubious, and even if it weren't how does that mean individual liberty is a bad thing?


Okay, I'll give you one example, Robinson Crusoe had his own fucking island. Everything was fine until he enslaved the dark guy on Friday.

You descended into specious very quickly.

Which nation, current or historic, came closest to your political ideals?