Breeding Question...

freewanderer04

freewanderer04

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So let's say you are down to your last seed of your favorite strain. It's feminized and a fairly stable variety. You also have some reg seeds of a bx line of the same strain but not from the same breeder. It's a bx5. This line has some good traits for outdoor like resistant to drought and mold but is not as potent as the feminized variety. To preserve the genetic, would you self the last seed you have or find a male from the bx pack from the other breeder to cross with the female and create regular seeds? :wall:
 
Johiem

Johiem

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freewanderer04 said:
How long after they root would you start the process?
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If photo, give her time for expression, if auto, start treating as soon as you see roots. The auto will have a hard time flipping Male and rooting but it can be done. I've done it, got 50+seeds of feminized Caramelicious auto s1 On my first attempt. Remember autos are on a short timetable so the donor plant won't like being cut but with the clones you'll still get bud to smoke
 
Southernontariogrower

Southernontariogrower

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Johiem said:
If photo, give her time for expression, if auto, start treating as soon as you see roots. The auto will have a hard time flipping Male and rooting but it can be done. I've done it, got 50+seeds of feminized Caramelicious auto s1 On my first attempt. Remember autos are on a short timetable so the donor plant won't like being cut but with the clones you'll still get bud to smoke
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Wasnt even thinking autos, good catch.
 
Johiem

Johiem

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BIG THING TO REMEMBER!!! Do Not smoke the treated plant. Doesn't matter whether you use colloidal silver or silver thiosulfate, you don't want that stuff in your lungs.

Speaking of selfing, I just harvested feminized pollen from a Red Hot Cookie I flipped. Got about a half gram of pollen from her/ him.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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Johiem said:
If photo, give her time for expression, if auto, start treating as soon as you see roots. The auto will have a hard time flipping Male and rooting but it can be done. I've done it, got 50+seeds of feminized Caramelicious auto s1 On my first attempt. Remember autos are on a short timetable so the donor plant won't like being cut but with the clones you'll still get bud to smoke
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I'm going to be working with autos to flip with STS this winter to get more fem seeds of the strain doing so well outside this year. Mazarilla by Urban Legends. Mazar auto x GG#4 auto. Sprouted early June and a good 4 weeks into flowering now so should be done early Sept which is just what I'm looking for way up north here. Now to find a good all CBD strain to do the same thing.

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Alter Jean

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freewanderer04 said:
So let's say you are down to your last seed of your favorite strain. It's feminized and a fairly stable variety. You also have some reg seeds of a bx line of the same strain but not from the same breeder. It's a bx5. This line has some good traits for outdoor like resistant to drought and mold but is not as potent as the feminized variety. To preserve the genetic, would you self the last seed you have or find a male from the bx pack from the other breeder to cross with the female and create regular seeds? :wall:
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Outcrossing with a Male from a BX line onto an auto to preserve the genes might not be your best bet. Some bastard polyhybrid you will have lots of variants and many recessives. Bx5 is already very lots of work from someone else.

Sidenote: You know what though, I notice some people claiming BX lately.. And when asked how they did that without the parent plants what they actually describes is like an S9 or F9.

Your question is kind of loaded. And you won't be satisfied unless you approach it from multiple angles. I'm sure a few others will stop through and lend some input. Let us know your approach
 
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freewanderer04

freewanderer04

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Alter Jean said:
Outcrossing with a Male from a BX line onto an auto to preserve the genes might not be your best bet. Some bastard polyhybrid you will have lots of variants and many recessives. Bx5 is already very lots of work from someone else.

Sidenote: You know what though, I notice some people claiming BX lately.. And when asked how they did that without the parent plants what they actually describes is like an S9 or F9.

For example. D-Bag near the Sea gets some exotic plants from a breeder that have been worked F7.
He selfs them to sell them off and what does he label his seeds? He labels them F2.

Even if you self and cross two different plants... This doesn't reset the clock just because you say so.

Another example is Hell's Angel OG. I see lot's of 'bx' but it's impossible because they have never grown the parent.
I think people are spraying chemicals and then calling it a BX because of the concept 'back onto itself'.

Sorry for the ramble but these things really get people hit in the throat.

To answer you OP: For me, I would clone everything.

I would reverse the seed stalk of the Auto onto a clone of itself creating an S1. If it's feminized already that would actually be an S2.
I would also use that pollen on some of the better females from the BX to see what happened. Pollen from the BX5 might be wild with recessive and unstable; You might create more of an upset for youself if you used it.

Your question is kind of loaded. And you won't be satisfied unless you approach it from multiple angles. I'm sure a few others will stop through and lend some input. Let us know your approach
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The feminized plant from the strain I'm trying to preserve is OG Kush by Humboldt Seed Company. Photoperiod strain, not auto. I could buy another pack of beans but figured I'd try to save some money. The bx5 is SFVOG by Twenty20 Mendocino. I think it definitely has some good traits it could add to HSC's OG like stem strength and mold/mildew resistance. If I get a male SFV I'll prob throw him outside and pollinate a few branches of the HSC OG and just got along with my fem project in the tent.
 
freewanderer04

freewanderer04

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Johiem said:
If photo, give her time for expression, if auto, start treating as soon as you see roots. The auto will have a hard time flipping Male and rooting but it can be done. I've done it, got 50+seeds of feminized Caramelicious auto s1 On my first attempt. Remember autos are on a short timetable so the donor plant won't like being cut but with the clones you'll still get bud to smoke
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Damn so you managed to clone an auto and turn her? That's impressive. How many weeks old was the mother plant?
 
Johiem

Johiem

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I took the first two branches when she was 4 weeks old, I think. While she is an auto, she is a slow auto. Didn't time her on my first run, but on the second, which was the cut and flip, she took 45 days to start flowering. So she had plenty of time. I don't know that I'll try the cut and flip on an early flowerer like Bloody Skunk. Bloody Skunk starts flowering around day 20. Think I'll isolate and treat the next one.

Should be easier on the plant but then this is based in the presumption that neither colloidal silver, or silver thiosulfate are mobile within the plant. If you isolate one branch and treat just that branch, block the rest of the plant during application and time for the application to dry(no accidental exposure), you can leave it on the plant till the pods look ready.
 
Autodoctor

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Damn y’all are some smart cookies that I would enjoy having a beer with and watching the process. My brain hurts now and need a nap tring to digest this all in
 
Johiem

Johiem

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Only been growing for two years but have studied for more than a decade. There isn't an aspect about cannabis I don't love, aside from its continued prohibition, anywhere. Two years ago(ish) my state finally had a rectal craniotomy and at least legalized medical. Since then I haven't stopped playing around. I've got feminized pollen from 2 strains I've flipped myself and I can't wait to try some of my own cross breeds.
 
freewanderer04

freewanderer04

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Johiem said:
I took the first two branches when she was 4 weeks old, I think. While she is an auto, she is a slow auto. Didn't time her on my first run, but on the second, which was the cut and flip, she took 45 days to start flowering. So she had plenty of time. I don't know that I'll try the cut and flip on an early flowerer like Bloody Skunk. Bloody Skunk starts flowering around day 20. Think I'll isolate and treat the next one.

Should be easier on the plant but then this is based in the presumption that neither colloidal silver, or silver thiosulfate are mobile within the plant. If you isolate one branch and treat just that branch, block the rest of the plant during application and time for the application to dry(no accidental exposure), you can leave it on the plant till the pods look ready.
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So with the auto clones, how big do they get? I would imagine no more than a foot considering their biological clock doesn't stop and they continue progressing like the mother or no? Just curious... Don't normally deal with autos.
 
Johiem

Johiem

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I've only dealt with Caramelicious auto, soi really can't say. Her clone was 14" i think. Now the photo girl I just got pollen from was maybe 8" tall but I intentionally stressed her out and then cut the strength of the light, kept her hungry so she stayed short
 
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