Will You Take The Vaccine?

Are you going to take the corona virus vaccine?

  • No.

  • Yes.


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Fogdog

Well-Known Member
So now you want to play the semantics game. Fine, it serves no purpose. Does that make you feel better. You know what I meant, why do people just want to argue.

citation

"Masks may not be necessary when you are outside by yourself away from others, or with people who live in your household."
Where did they say it is a total waste of time?
 

Doug Dawson

Well-Known Member
This is normal behavior in many parts of the world, mask wearing in highly urban environments has become a trend, even before this pandemic. I think many people who have spring allergies are gonna discover the benefits of wearing a mask out doors alone. Events can cause social trends, after WW2 short hair and clean shaven became a fashion among men, 17 million of them served and were conditioned to the behavior and the draft was still on during the cold war and after. I think this pandemic will do the same for masks, get used to seeing them long after this is over, somethings leave a mark and the pandemic is one of them.
It is normal in some parts of the world, mostly where it is so incredibly polluted people need them due to such poor air quality. That is not the case here in Canada. Perhaps it's because I am so tired from working in Covid hell. I have 74 active patients in the building I am sitting in at this moment. Perhaps its seeing these people makes you feel like no place is safe or masks are normal when neither is true. Outside on your own is perfectly safe and as such feels like a small piece of normal. The fact that it bothers me should not bother you. I don't go up to people and tell them what to do and I don't accept people telling me how I should feel about things. You are free to do what you like and I am not going to try to stop you however I deserve the same respect.
 

Dryxi

Well-Known Member
Maybe they have allergies and have discovered that masks mitigate the problem greatly? Nobody said that masks should be mandatory outside in all circumstances and few people have that attitude. Those that do, won't have it for long, as norms are reestablished, but it won't go back to the way it was. Masks were popular in Asia and they used them to control earlier epidemics, after that they became even more popular. I believe the same thing will happen in North America too, masks will be seen in public much more and people should get used to it, particularly those using public transport.
You were shaming the man for saying it is an extreme position to wear a mask alone outside, in the context of the pandemic, not allergies.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Do you ever question the stupid shit you think matters because you seem to really want to believe that people should stay unsafe because you have allergies.

Now it is early, and I am not even a couple sips into my coffee.

But 52,805 (employees) *.02(the percent of that group that had a allergic reaction = 1056 people had allergic reactions.

And in that group of 52,805, 4,000 people had 'significant allergies to food and medications', while only 1056 had a reaction to the vaccine according to the part you posted. 4000>1056. Basically meaning a quarter of the people you would expect to have issues with the vaccine actually did.

Interesting how you completely ignore the point that the risks are shown to be occurring 100x more often that the CDC has speculated. The point you chose to argue is a different (yet parallel) point all together. However to that point, are you expecting that every person with a food allergy will have an anaphylactic reaction???

What is considered an anaphylactic reaction?

Anaphylaxis (an-a-fi-LAK-sis) is a serious, life-threatening allergic reaction. The most common anaphylactic reactions are to foods, insect stings, medications and latex. If you are allergic to a substance, your immune system overreacts to this allergen by releasing chemicals that cause allergy symptoms.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Apparently vaccinated people are transmitting something (spiked protein perhaps) to unvaccinated people, which is causing women all over the world to have unusual menses. You vaxxers should wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated, or better yet just quarantine yourselves.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
It is normal in some parts of the world, mostly where it is so incredibly polluted people need them due to such poor air quality. That is not the case here in Canada. Perhaps it's because I am so tired from working in Covid hell. I have 74 active patients in the building I am sitting in at this moment. Perhaps its seeing these people makes you feel like no place is safe or masks are normal when neither is true. Outside on your own is perfectly safe and as such feels like a small piece of normal. The fact that it bothers me should not bother you. I don't go up to people and tell them what to do and I don't accept people telling me how I should feel about things. You are free to do what you like and I am not going to try to stop you however I deserve the same respect.
I'm in Canada too and in a rural location, NS, we recently cracked down to control covid cases until enough folks are vaccinated. Alberta recently topped all the American states and is now #1 for infection rates in North America. Ontario is in a state of crises and Doug Ford freaked out as did the premier of Alberta. We will be masked up for while, I see a lot of mask compliance where I live, but not too many people wearing them outside, unless required or traveling in groups. If you are alone without a mask outside and away from other people, no one will bother you.

I've been vaccinated with one dose of Pfizer 11 days ago, but I'll still wear a mask in public places, but not in the park getting some exercise with no one around or out in the sticks flying a drone alone.
 

Dryxi

Well-Known Member
Apparently vaccinated people are transmitting something (spiked protein perhaps) to unvaccinated people, which is causing women all over the world to have unusual menses. You vaxxers should wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated, or better yet just quarantine yourselves.
This makes no sense. If the spike protein was being spread, then that would mean the vaccine immunity is being spread without the need to get the shot! We do realize that the vaccines use the spike protein (without using the actual virus at all) to cause our own natural immune system to begin fighting the process that the virus uses to invade our cells, before ever encountering the virus. I am not a virologist so I am gonna need a citation.
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Interesting how you completely ignore the point that the risks are shown to be occurring 100x more often that the CDC has speculated. The point you chose to argue is a different (yet parallel) point all together. However to that point, are you expecting that every person with a food allergy will have an anaphylactic reaction???

What is considered an anaphylactic reaction?

Anaphylaxis (an-a-fi-LAK-sis) is a serious, life-threatening allergic reaction. The most common anaphylactic reactions are to foods, insect stings, medications and latex. If you are allergic to a substance, your immune system overreacts to this allergen by releasing chemicals that cause allergy symptoms.
Math is not my strong point, could you help me figure out the percentage of people that had an adverse reaction?

Alberta vaccination rate 4.37 million people.

As of May 2:
  • 1,640,303 doses administered
  • 36,690 doses per 100,000 population
  • 301,398 Albertans fully immunized (2 doses)
  • 264 adverse events following immunization
(just in my head I get about 1/8,000) gets a reaction)
 

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
Math is not my strong point, could you help me figure out the percentage of people that had an adverse reaction?

Alberta vaccination rate 4.37 million people.

As of May 2:
  • 1,640,303 doses administered

  • 36,690 doses per 100,000 population

  • 301,398 Albertans fully immunized (2 doses)

  • 264 adverse events following immunization
(just in my head I get about 1/8,000) gets a reaction)
.016% of all injections resulted in an adverse reaction.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
You were shaming the man for saying it is an extreme position to wear a mask alone outside, in the context of the pandemic, not allergies.
The fashion or health and safety measures others take to protect themselves from anything, should not be subject to criticism. Not wearing a mask might be subject to such criticism, depending on the circumstances, like here in Canada where the pandemic is raging in many places and local officials are panicking and freaking out. Our vaccination rate is a fraction of the American rate and only a 3rd of Canadians have received one dose. I won't get my second Pfizer until August 7th. Let's just say that 80% protection may cause many asymptomatic cases or sniffles and greatly increased community spread to the unvaccinated, including children.

It depends on the level of infection in the community many states with high vaccination rates now have community infection rates of less than 1%, Alberta is around 9% and some states topped out at over 30% during the height of the pandemic.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
This makes no sense. If the spike protein was being spread, then that would mean the vaccine immunity is being spread without the need to get the shot! We do realize that the vaccines use the spike protein (without using the actual virus at all) to cause our own natural immune system to begin fighting the process that the virus uses to invade our cells, before ever encountering the virus. I am not a virologist so I am gonna need a citation.
Yep, I'm quite aware of that, and it is indeed a possibility. If you look in the Pfizer documents for how they ran their clinical trials, they were clearly concerned about that possibility as well, because they put requirements for contact tracing of any person that a vaccinated person in the test trial came in contact with. The one thing we haven't seen however is the result of those tracings.

I'm not saying that it is the spike protein or not, just that it's a possibility. I just finished listening to a panel of 5 doctors who were discussing this as possible. I mean think about it, what does the covid injection (it's not a vaccine) do? It basically programs your immune system to create the spiked protein antibodies (not covid19 antibodies), so is it really unreasonable to assume that people who are making those new artificial antibodies are also shedding them in their breath and cells and a result?

Then of course there's the story of the guy who lived with his 88-year olf mom. He got the shot and she didn't. She never left the house, but she died of covid-19 after her son got the shot. Maybe he already had covid earlier and gave it to her, but the circumstances are indeed odd.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
People reject vaccines because vaccines have been too effective at eliminating other diseases.

It's as if they want smallpox and polio to return.

effing death cult.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Math is not my strong point, could you help me figure out the percentage of people that had an adverse reaction?

Alberta vaccination rate 4.37 million people.

As of May 2:
  • 1,640,303 doses administered

  • 36,690 doses per 100,000 population

  • 301,398 Albertans fully immunized (2 doses)

  • 264 adverse events following immunization
(just in my head I get about 1/8,000) gets a reaction)
Here's the thing though.. Doctors aren't reporting all (most) of the reactions, even when they seem them in their own office. This has been shown time and time again.
 

Doug Dawson

Well-Known Member
I'm in Canada too and in a rural location, NS, we recently cracked down to control covid cases until enough folks are vaccinated. Alberta recently topped all the American states and is now #1 for infection rates in North America. Ontario is in a state of crises and Doug Ford freaked out as did the premier of Alberta. We will be masked up for while, I see a lot of mask compliance where I live, but not too many people wearing them outside, unless required or traveling in groups. If you are alone without a mask outside and away from other people, no one will bother you.

I've been vaccinated with one dose of Pfizer 11 days ago, but I'll still wear a mask in public places, but not in the park getting some exercise with no one around or out in the sticks flying a drone alone.
That is a responsible way to do things. I have been vaccinated. I wear a mask, face shield and gown half the time at my work. I wear a mask when indoors among people, I wear a mask when outside among people. I wear a mask everyplace it will serve a purpose. I totally agree with that.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Yep, I'm quite aware of that, and it is indeed a possibility. If you look in the Pfizer documents for how they ran their clinical trials, they were clearly concerned about that possibility as well, because they put requirements for contact tracing of any person that a vaccinated person in the test trial came in contact with. The one thing we haven't seen however is the result of those tracings.

I'm not saying that it is the spike protein or not, just that it's a possibility. I just finished listening to a panel of 5 doctors who were discussing this as possible. I mean think about it, what does the covid injection (it's not a vaccine) do? It basically programs your immune system to create the spiked protein antibodies (not covid19 antibodies), so is it really unreasonable to assume that people who are making those new artificial antibodies are also shedding them in their breath and cells and a result?

Then of course there's the story of the guy who lived with his 88-year olf mom. He got the shot and she didn't. She never left the house, but she died of covid-19 after her son got the shot. Maybe he already had covid earlier and gave it to her, but the circumstances are indeed odd.
Nobody cares what you say, PJ.

Your willful ignorance is boring.
 
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