Is it Possible to Profit From Creating a Cannabis Strain?

medicaloutlaw

medicaloutlaw

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Dispensary (Chuckers) Pitch " Yeah bro we have our own exclusive line of Genetics guaranteed to knock your socks off. We have designed these with your needs in mind. Top shelf product. Only $5 a gram more than standard well-known product" "Here try some of this "Scud Missle" (actual name at a Arab owned dispensary) you wont be disappointed"
 
lusidghost

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I personally love chuckers, but only as long as they're up front about their work. I don't have the cuts or the space to breed out some of this amazing crosses. I'll sort through a bunch of their phenos for mothers and maybe someday use them as stock for my own breeding. Without these Willy Wonkas I would miss out on some of my all time favorite strains. Respect to real breeders too. Without their work the chuckers would have nothing to chuck.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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ZenWolf said:
I was on a hunt recently to find as old of an original line of Northern Lights as I could find - and settled on Pyramid Seeds for it. I had no prior experience with anything from Pyramid Seeds but they seem legit ass far as being carried by major seedbanks and I couldn't find much derogatory about them. So far, it's growing so vigorously, I'm kind of wondering if it isn't a hybrid... It's too young for me to say anything about it yet with any confidence - but I'm hoping it ends up really being from some of the original strains of it and not anything too hybrid/different.
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I think the original line has been kept going by a few growers in Oregon, Washington, and Northern California. Pretty much everything being sold as Northern Lights has had some sativa introduced. Pyramid says on their website that theirs is 10% sativa. It was originally a pure indica. Or so the story goes. Nobody knows for sure the history of many strains as there are so many different tales and stories conflicting with each other. Some is surely just something thought up while somebody was stoned.

Years before legalization Northern Lights was all over here in Portland. That was back in the 80's.
 
GrownAtHighAltitude

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It's legal, for now. I expect with increased pressure on the federal govt to develop a legalization framework, the cannabis seed industry will come under increased scrutiny. Regulation is surely on the table as there are way too many people making money in the seed game for them to overlook that.

I'm storing genetics now with this in mind. We might actually see $100 beans if it becomes too restricted, and the only supply is from regulated corporate banks. Nobody except for the industry (also regulated) is going to want that stuff, so the good stuff will disappear underground.

I believe what we are living through right now may be the golden age of cannabis genetics distribution. Get em while you can and store well!
 
ZenWolf

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xtsho said:
I think the original line has been kept going by a few growers in Oregon, Washington, and Northern California. Pretty much everything being sold as Northern Lights has had some sativa introduced. Pyramid says on their website that theirs is 10% sativa. It was originally a pure indica. Or so the story goes. Nobody knows for sure the history of many strains as there are so many different tales and stories conflicting with each other. Some is surely just something thought up while somebody was stoned.

Years before legalization Northern Lights was all over here in Portland. That was back in the 80's.
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Yeah their website description says "our strain comes from an old phenotype, very difficult to find nowadays" and I'm really hoping that's true. But I guess I wasn't expecting heterosis/"hybrid vigor"-like growth from an established/old phenotype. But maybe it's just a really vigorous growing phenotype! Couple of weeks in and it's about triple or quadruple the size of another strain that I germinated at the same time with it.

Yeah I was fortunate enough to have a good friend in the late '80s that was a bit of a pioneering guerilla grower in the Appalachian Mountains at the time. Probably one of the reasons I have such a fondness for the strain. Was probably the first really good genetics/not brickweed that I ever smoked.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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GrownAtHighAltitude said:
cultivalaw.com

USDA Affirms Legality of Interstate Transportation of Hemp

The Executive Summary published by the USDA affirms the legality of interstate transportation of hemp, and makes clear that States and Indian tribes may not prohibit the same if lawfully produced pursuant to a license issued under the 2018 Farm Bill or 2014 Farm Bill
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That's regarding hemp. Not cannabis that contains THC. You can buy hemp seeds on Amazon. Although they put on the label "Not for growing" they will grow.

"Hemp and hemp seed were removed from the Controlled Substance Act and placed within the regulatory authority of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) under the 2018 Farm Bill in December 2018. A few months later, the USDA issued a bulletin titled “Importation of Hemp Seeds” which stated that the “DEA no longer has authority to require hemp seed permits for import purposes,” and also made it clear that “hemp seeds can be imported into the United States from Canada if accompanied by either:

  1. a phytosanitary certification from Canada’s national plant protection organization to verify the origin of the seed and confirm that no plant pests are detected; or
  2. a Federal Seed Analysis Certificate (SAC, PPQ Form 925) for hemp seeds grown in Canada.”
The USDA Bulletin concluded that “hemp seed shipments may be inspected upon arrival at the first port of entry by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to ensure USDA regulations are met, including certification and freedom from plant pests.” It is worth noting that even when compliant with the above requirements, there is still some risk of hemp materials being seized due to CBP confusion of products which test positive for trace amounts of cannabinoids."


It looks like here in Oregon you can sell them as long as you make them yourself. That's for hemp seeds. You're still going to need to be licensed for cannabis seeds in order to avoid trouble with the state.


"Selling hemp seed

To sell hemp seed in Oregon, either a retail or wholesale seed dealers license is required, depending on the end consumer. However, if a person is selling only seeds that they produce, a license is not needed. The state of Oregon does not recognize seed licenses issued by other states; out-of-state entities must have an ODA-issued license."

State of Oregon: Seed Regulatory Program - Hemp Seed

www.oregon.gov www.oregon.gov
 
lusidghost

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State business regulations wasn't really what we were discussing. There are state regulations on selling hot dogs, but they aren't illegal.

I don't really feel like looking it up, but it's part of that farm bill. Anything under whatever percentage THC is considered hemp, including cannabis seeds. The article was on Cannarado's FAQ, but his site is down. If they could get Chong on a bong they could certainly bring down all of these well known, highly public breeders like Cannarado, Thug Pug, In House, ect ect.
 
xtsho

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www.phoenixnewtimes.com

Pipe Dream? Arizona Man Believes Legal Loophole Lets Him Sell Pot Seeds

“It is kind of concerning, but at the same time I’m going to keep doing what I got to do," Moss said.
www.phoenixnewtimes.com www.phoenixnewtimes.com

Moss openly admits to mailing seeds across state borders. He buys seeds from growers in Washington, California, Oklahoma, and Michigan. People in Oklahoma made up his biggest customer base for a while.


Plant or not, federal authorities don't take kindly to distributing pot seeds in the mail.

Liz Davis, a spokesperson for the Phoenix division of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, said that while marijuana is legal in some states, it's federally illegal under the Controlled Substances Act and cannabis seeds are therefore illegal to mail.

Whether stated as a souvenir or having an agricultural purpose, it is still a controlled substance and therefore nonmailable.

Davis added that if New Times shared Moss' name and contact information, they would investigate further. New Times declined her offer.

Phoenix cannabis attorney Tom Dean said Moss is facing serious legal jeopardy.

“My advice to him is not to do it,” said Dean, a former legal director for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) who has practiced cannabis law for over 20 years.

That's no good, according to Dean. For one, un-sterilized seeds are explicitly considered marijuana for the purposes of Arizona and federal law, meaning that selling them within Arizona requires a license. Even if selling seeds was legal in Arizona, transporting them between states and in the mail is a federal offense.
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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xtsho said:
www.phoenixnewtimes.com

Pipe Dream? Arizona Man Believes Legal Loophole Lets Him Sell Pot Seeds

“It is kind of concerning, but at the same time I’m going to keep doing what I got to do," Moss said.
www.phoenixnewtimes.com www.phoenixnewtimes.com

Moss openly admits to mailing seeds across state borders. He buys seeds from growers in Washington, California, Oklahoma, and Michigan. People in Oklahoma made up his biggest customer base for a while.


Plant or not, federal authorities don't take kindly to distributing pot seeds in the mail.

Liz Davis, a spokesperson for the Phoenix division of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, said that while marijuana is legal in some states, it's federally illegal under the Controlled Substances Act and cannabis seeds are therefore illegal to mail.

Whether stated as a souvenir or having an agricultural purpose, it is still a controlled substance and therefore nonmailable.

Davis added that if New Times shared Moss' name and contact information, they would investigate further. New Times declined her offer.

Phoenix cannabis attorney Tom Dean said Moss is facing serious legal jeopardy.

“My advice to him is not to do it,” said Dean, a former legal director for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) who has practiced cannabis law for over 20 years.

That's no good, according to Dean. For one, un-sterilized seeds are explicitly considered marijuana for the purposes of Arizona and federal law, meaning that selling them within Arizona requires a license. Even if selling seeds was legal in Arizona, transporting them between states and in the mail is a federal offense.
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So they are trying to scare this dude with outdated laws? Cool story. If they tried to charge him the case would probably end going to the supreme court. They don't seem very confident. Probably because their state law is violating federal law.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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lusidghost said:
So they are trying to scare this dude with outdated laws? Cool story. If they tried to charge him the case would probably end going to the supreme court. They don't seem very confident. Probably because their state law is violating federal law.
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I don't know what they are doing. It was just an article I found interesting and thought I'd share.

But a well respected cannabis Attorney advises against it.

“My advice to him is not to do it,” said Dean, a former legal director for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) who has practiced cannabis law for over 20 years.

I wouldn't be worried about going to jail but having assets seized. The guy says he makes about $1000 a month so if he's paying taxes he's not going to have the IRS coming after him. You can get away with quite a bit but if you fail to pay taxes on income bad things can happen. So can flaunting certain activities by plastering cannabis leaf decals all over your car and advertising you sell cannabis seeds.

I hope he gets to keep doing what he's doing but I wouldn't take those chances. I also wouldn't host the website on a WIX server located in California. I'd setup a site on a Vultr VPS choosing a server in another country.
 
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