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guitarguy10

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I have had both good and bad therapists. They are critical to the mental health of those of us with serious mental health issues. I tried to explain a bit above but I am not talking about your butterflies in the stomach nervousness of anxiety. I'm talking about the 'who the fuck is that weirdo screaming at the busses' at the bus station. Well that was me, having an uncontrolled panic attack ... for not discernable reason lol.

Clearly DrKiz you've had bad experience with them and I definitely understand that, I question how some of these people got their degrees or their license to practice medicine at all. Another problem is that there simply isn't enough mental health resources for the neeeds of the public so they are stretched so thin that most of them can't take on new patients and those that do have to fit you into a tight 30-45 min time slot to fit you in with all of their other patients when that just makes it impossible for them to be exceptional at their job. The one or 2 therapists I've had who helped me a bit were like there for me, invested in me so to speak.

It is kind of absurd of you to claim that people with mental health issues just shrug it off and 'just do it', or however you put it. It's not that simple, I'm not anxious of giving a speech in front of a class, I literally feel like I am dying (suffocating) and that I might literally explode.
 

BudmanTX

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I have had both good and bad therapists. They are critical to the mental health of those of us with serious mental health issues. I tried to explain a bit above but I am not talking about your butterflies in the stomach nervousness of anxiety. I'm talking about the 'who the fuck is that weirdo screaming at the busses' at the bus station. Well that was me, having an uncontrolled panic attack ... for not discernable reason lol.

Clearly DrKiz you've had bad experience with them and I definitely understand that, I question how some of these people got their degrees or their license to practice medicine at all. Another problem is that there simply isn't enough mental health resources for the neeeds of the public so they are stretched so thin that most of them can't take on new patients and those that do have to fit you into a tight 30-45 min time slot to fit you in with all of their other patients when that just makes it impossible for them to be exceptional at their job. The one or 2 therapists I've had who helped me a bit were like there for me, invested in me so to speak.

It is kind of absurd of you to claim that people with mental health issues just shrug it off and 'just do it', or however you put it. It's not that simple, I'm not anxious of giving a speech in front of a class, I literally feel like I am dying (suffocating) and that I might literally explode.
what was the trigger for the panic attack? just asking do you remember?
 

guitarguy10

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what was the trigger for the panic attack? just asking do you remember?
Just so many strangers around me, we were waiting for a long ass time for a bus that was like 2 hours late and if I recall it was near Christmas. I don't know of a specific trigger, and fortunately outbursts like that are pretty rare for me. But that sort of thing happens inside of me all of the time.
 

DrKiz

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I have had both good and bad therapists. They are critical to the mental health of those of us with serious mental health issues. I tried to explain a bit above but I am not talking about your butterflies in the stomach nervousness of anxiety. I'm talking about the 'who the fuck is that weirdo screaming at the busses' at the bus station. Well that was me, having an uncontrolled panic attack ... for not discernable reason lol.

Clearly DrKiz you've had bad experience with them and I definitely understand that, I question how some of these people got their degrees or their license to practice medicine at all. Another problem is that there simply isn't enough mental health resources for the neeeds of the public so they are stretched so thin that most of them can't take on new patients and those that do have to fit you into a tight 30-45 min time slot to fit you in with all of their other patients when that just makes it impossible for them to be exceptional at their job. The one or 2 therapists I've had who helped me a bit were like there for me, invested in me so to speak.

It is kind of absurd of you to claim that people with mental health issues just shrug it off and 'just do it', or however you put it. It's not that simple, I'm not anxious of giving a speech in front of a class, I literally feel like I am dying (suffocating) and that I might literally explode.
Maybe it's easier for me because I've been at this for a few decades. Sorry for my lack of apparent empathy, I've gotten further reading the material the therapists use and applying it than having them fuck around.

I wish you the best. Maybe I would have a different opinion if things would have been identified at an early age, instead of having to learn how to deal with it all myself.

My girlfriend is also a behavourial specialist.. lol, just realized this is kinda important. She basically does do therapy on me sneaky gal.

Anyways I apoligize to everyone. I get heated about mental health just like you all do.

And maybe I am bitter about it, and the therapists.

Thanks for the enlightening discussion.
 

DrKiz

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And maybe RIU isn't the best place for me to go espousing my feelings and shit lol, I should have known better.
Who cares it is probably the best place man. I think it's normal too to feel uncomfortable giving a speech for the majority of the population.

That's why they have clubs like Toastmasters, so you can go in and practice and get over your fears.

A literal club to help you get over social anxiety.

I have a feeling some are talking about mild social anxiety here and some with crippling social anxiety.
 

guitarguy10

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My girlfriend is also a behavourial specialist.. lol, just realized this is kinda important. She basically does do therapy on me sneaky gal.
Yeah, see I could use one of those lol. And I did say earlier that the thing I need most is a social worker or therapist to literally work through the things and help me with what to do during them. It's just that it's not exactly like such a service would be cheap.
 

DrKiz

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It is kind of absurd of you to claim that people with mental health issues just shrug it off and 'just do it', or however you put it. It's not that simple, I'm not anxious of giving a speech in front of a class, I literally feel like I am dying (suffocating) and that I might literally explode.
Just trying to offer encouragement. Not trying to be hostile. It comes off as uncaring I realize.
 

srh88

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I own a PS4 but havn't bought the subscription in a year or maybe even 2. It's become too difficult a pill to swallow paying for the 'privelege' to play online when on my PC ... well I already pay for the internet once.

I will PM you though, check that.
All good.. but yeah hit me up dude. Im thinking being a pc person. The ps privacy shit just changed. They are listening to even party chats now. Shits fucked up and I feel wronged by it lol
 

BudmanTX

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Just so many strangers around me, we were waiting for a long ass time for a bus that was like 2 hours late and if I recall it was near Christmas.
that's a start of the trigger....either to many people, or a feeling of the bus being late.......either way it seems like DrKiz mentioned......fear. It's just a thought

you have to id the trigger to push through the anxiety aka fear.....once you get that, the rest is a cake walk.......

kinda remind me of an old quote "Fear is the mind killer" and it truly is........the rest is just you trying to cope maybe. It's a good thing...your only human
 

pahval

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its called exposure therapy where i am at, and the person i quoted isnt speaking about controlled situations.

You actually need to learn how to properly do exposure therapy experience and thats best done with a trained professional not just willynilly throwing yourself into the situation to "retrain your amygdala " you're likely going to do much more harm by doing it like this than properly doing it.

im sure you know this given how much research youve done right ? ;)
i can speak from my own experience about avoiding professionals, diy-ing myself to even deeper abyss... little background: since i knew myself i was disassociating, wouldnt feel nothing at all, listen to nothing, just a constant void my whole life - coping mechanism, abused by mother, what little i was with father, he was working and i was regularly abused by stepmother, so a lot of material for later on depression, even harder disassociation, self harm, tried to kill myself couple of times, cigarettes from 12, alcohol & weed from 13, heavy drug usage since 15, you can imagine what life i lived, crashed my psyche with too much reckless living (many times no sleeping, heavy drug usage, 2 concussions while heavy on drugs, avoided death about 5 times, many times broken psyche to the point of paranoia and hallucination), tried all things everything, self examination and peeling of everything on halluciogenic drugs, self love, self care, new age energy work, tai chi, eating better, socializing, loving, myself, world (i really do), it all just comes back, i kept loosing all i build, i found myself, but i am still until this day somewhat damaged, i destroyed all my relationships, ended ones i had before i do again, from what i have learned, i probably have borderline, i went to psychologist once, told everything, my family doctor told everything to my mother, i ended on streets, barely made alive but hey, traveled trough europe working, partying, getting more fucked up, so im very stressed about going to anyone, anyway, no matter how much love you receive, knowledge, you will loop in circles, you need catarsyc moments, not self reflecting ones, you need to trow it all out, but you wont do it alone, you need to be poked, stirred, and controlably freed from all the bullshit you stuffed in there... from what i have experienced, nothing else helps... you will have ups, but your downs will come from same abyss you neglected to take care of... its funny, just look at how some people treat their plants... they ask for help, they interact with experienced people, they read, they try new things, they do all they can... thats what you must do for yourself... i will do it also... after so many breakdowns, loss of everything, but fighting till my last breath for myself, for my life, for the fucking amazement i feel when i feel alive, when i understand never ever will there be another time, another place, for me to live and to be, and there will never be another me, i feel hope and desire to continue on... last i think 8 years now, every day, i work on myself, i fail almost every day, i get up myself to where i want to be, and then that something in me just collapses, and i take myself back, i examine what happened, i remember where i want to be, and i do it again, i hated myself, i loathed myself, i hugged myself, but i never stopped... and you know what? i wish i asked for help earlier... i tought i could do it all by myself, i wanted to prove myself im strong enough, hence worth of being, it was just a god damn idiotic self hate and deprivation, i feel like soon ill be ready to step forward, go to doctors and start with my treatments... pills do help, when your in psychosis, when you fucking shake and foam like a beast, pills are the only way... but sooner or later, youll have to trow them away and stand on your own feet... ive been in psychosis (overpowered sounds, visuals, afraid of dying from every step someone made, couple of voices telling me shit, mumbling random shit to differ my voice from inner from outer), ive been so anxious i was shaking, paranoid, especially in trains with a lot of people, couldnt look people in eyes, started shaking my head, but you know what, every time i told myself: dont fall, you can do this... just do this... just, fight... you know who you are, this is not you, just let it be... and it did help... maybe its so much of disossiation i experienced, so much struggle with depression (as a kid i had to fight my own body to overcome need to stay in fetus position, usually by screaming at myself to get up), i spent so many years self observing these states, that now i can control them (im not saying for anyone to try or to do anything like that, it broke me down many times and i cant even explain how im still sane, im just giving my 2 cents)... you know, you just keep going, until you get there... as for you guys, fuck you dr kiz, no one loves you, but no one hates you also, i understand that you hate weakness you carry in yourself, and you play power/psycho/caretaker game, you need that, but you aint getting it from me.. go your way and be safe... guitarguy, mate, if its so much out of your control, you gotta seek help... not just go to doctor, go for every possibility there is until you get what you need... no one will save you, no one will do it for you, and thats for the best... you need help, you need people in life, to whom you will open, who will see something else than whatever you experienced so far, you need to break that shell, gain trust in yourself, empower yourself, get surrounded by people you can trust and who will accept you, maybe you just found two, dont be a coward, fuck your traumas and fuck those people watching you having attack, you can fucking shout all you want, who will stop you? its about you, not them, not about your problems... fight for yourself, fight every day, fight to find out what is the best version of yourself, fight to be that person every day, fight to get what you want, what is your deepest, most profound you telling the world it wants it to be! there is no end to that while youre alive! you can change it mate, it may take 20 years, but for fucks sake, these will be your years, your way of doing things! for end, i will leave you with my Secret (i really hope you dont know what im referencing here), it helped me many times, i hope it will have some value to you too, "Litany against fear" from The Dune serial:

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

Peace and love to you all, and thank you for sharing these stories... its whats makes us experience each others as humans... and we need that...
 

lokie

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what was the trigger for the panic attack? just asking do you remember?
My anxiety is triggered most often by unanswered questions.

"When would you like to accomplish that task?"

The answer is unknown. What is known is the correct answer does not start with

"Well the last time ..."

Until the question is directly answered my anxiety esculates.

I have walked away from lucrative business deals just because someone would not or could not answer a simple question.
My patients ware thin and I'm not willing to pull out each detail through 20 questions just to find out the real answer in the beginning was "next tuesday at 4:00 pm."
Bipolar GIFs | Tenor
 

pahval

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My anxiety is triggered most often by unanswered questions.

"When would you like to accomplish that task?"

The answer is unknown. What is known is the correct answer does not start with

"Well the last time ..."

Until the question is directly answered my anxiety esculates.

I have walked away from lucrative business deals just because someone would not or could not answer a simple question.
My patients ware thin and I'm not willing to pull out each detail through 20 questions just to find out the real answer in the beginning was "next tuesday at 4:00 pm."
Bipolar GIFs | Tenor
are you a perfectionist? i think i feel the same, usually i dont even listen, i just wait for my brain to fine filter all that garbage data then i respond in a second, when i had mild anxieties as a kid (lol im 27, me being kid is like 15 years ago) i used to do math in my head with random numbers i saw on street (house numbers, licence plates), would sum them and seek for median, do my own graphs of what numbers i saw that day, calculate ammount of rombes i saw in a row on a fence and tried to do amount of steps that equaled to a row divied by 4 troughout length of that fence and these kind of shit, fuck for all i know i may be autistic, but it seems i was overly attached to people and many times i was rather keeping it quiet, than getting pissed of at them for blabbering uther nonsense...
 

pahval

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maybe youll like this guy here:


its one hour talk, about what human psyche is, this is part 5, so if youll like first 5 minutes, youll prob like all of them...
 

BudmanTX

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My anxiety is triggered most often by unanswered questions.

"When would you like to accomplish that task?"

The answer is unknown. What is known is the correct answer does not start with

"Well the last time ..."

Until the question is directly answered my anxiety esculates.

I have walked away from lucrative business deals just because someone would not or could not answer a simple question.
My patients ware thin and I'm not willing to pull out each detail through 20 questions just to find out the real answer in the beginning was "next tuesday at 4:00 pm."
Bipolar GIFs | Tenor
yeah I can see that would drive ya batty as it were......I get the same from some family member I have.....20 questions to get to the right answer..... in mean time everything in your body is getting angrier, and angrier like your gonna burst....for me it's a baseball bat to a dead tree stump I have.....I've broken many of bats on that thing through the years......the late one was when my wife went to the hospital...no info, no info, no info.....finally a little info...can't sit at the hospital........yep me and baseball bat to the stump strikes again....then 2 days later....real info I can use......
 

DrKiz

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i can speak from my own experience about avoiding professionals, diy-ing myself to even deeper abyss... little background: since i knew myself i was disassociating, wouldnt feel nothing at all, listen to nothing, just a constant void my whole life - coping mechanism, abused by mother, what little i was with father, he was working and i was regularly abused by stepmother, so a lot of material for later on depression, even harder disassociation, self harm, tried to kill myself couple of times, cigarettes from 12, alcohol & weed from 13, heavy drug usage since 15, you can imagine what life i lived, crashed my psyche with too much reckless living (many times no sleeping, heavy drug usage, 2 concussions while heavy on drugs, avoided death about 5 times, many times broken psyche to the point of paranoia and hallucination), tried all things everything, self examination and peeling of everything on halluciogenic drugs, self love, self care, new age energy work, tai chi, eating better, socializing, loving, myself, world (i really do), it all just comes back, i kept loosing all i build, i found myself, but i am still until this day somewhat damaged, i destroyed all my relationships, ended ones i had before i do again, from what i have learned, i probably have borderline, i went to psychologist once, told everything, my family doctor told everything to my mother, i ended on streets, barely made alive but hey, traveled trough europe working, partying, getting more fucked up, so im very stressed about going to anyone, anyway, no matter how much love you receive, knowledge, you will loop in circles, you need catarsyc moments, not self reflecting ones, you need to trow it all out, but you wont do it alone, you need to be poked, stirred, and controlably freed from all the bullshit you stuffed in there... from what i have experienced, nothing else helps... you will have ups, but your downs will come from same abyss you neglected to take care of... its funny, just look at how some people treat their plants... they ask for help, they interact with experienced people, they read, they try new things, they do all they can... thats what you must do for yourself... i will do it also... after so many breakdowns, loss of everything, but fighting till my last breath for myself, for my life, for the fucking amazement i feel when i feel alive, when i understand never ever will there be another time, another place, for me to live and to be, and there will never be another me, i feel hope and desire to continue on... last i think 8 years now, every day, i work on myself, i fail almost every day, i get up myself to where i want to be, and then that something in me just collapses, and i take myself back, i examine what happened, i remember where i want to be, and i do it again, i hated myself, i loathed myself, i hugged myself, but i never stopped... and you know what? i wish i asked for help earlier... i tought i could do it all by myself, i wanted to prove myself im strong enough, hence worth of being, it was just a god damn idiotic self hate and deprivation, i feel like soon ill be ready to step forward, go to doctors and start with my treatments... pills do help, when your in psychosis, when you fucking shake and foam like a beast, pills are the only way... but sooner or later, youll have to trow them away and stand on your own feet... ive been in psychosis (overpowered sounds, visuals, afraid of dying from every step someone made, couple of voices telling me shit, mumbling random shit to differ my voice from inner from outer), ive been so anxious i was shaking, paranoid, especially in trains with a lot of people, couldnt look people in eyes, started shaking my head, but you know what, every time i told myself: dont fall, you can do this... just do this... just, fight... you know who you are, this is not you, just let it be... and it did help... maybe its so much of disossiation i experienced, so much struggle with depression (as a kid i had to fight my own body to overcome need to stay in fetus position, usually by screaming at myself to get up), i spent so many years self observing these states, that now i can control them (im not saying for anyone to try or to do anything like that, it broke me down many times and i cant even explain how im still sane, im just giving my 2 cents)... you know, you just keep going, until you get there... as for you guys, fuck you dr kiz, no one loves you, but no one hates you also, i understand that you hate weakness you carry in yourself, and you play power/psycho/caretaker game, you need that, but you aint getting it from me.. go your way and be safe... guitarguy, mate, if its so much out of your control, you gotta seek help... not just go to doctor, go for every possibility there is until you get what you need... no one will save you, no one will do it for you, and thats for the best... you need help, you need people in life, to whom you will open, who will see something else than whatever you experienced so far, you need to break that shell, gain trust in yourself, empower yourself, get surrounded by people you can trust and who will accept you, maybe you just found two, dont be a coward, fuck your traumas and fuck those people watching you having attack, you can fucking shout all you want, who will stop you? its about you, not them, not about your problems... fight for yourself, fight every day, fight to find out what is the best version of yourself, fight to be that person every day, fight to get what you want, what is your deepest, most profound you telling the world it wants it to be! there is no end to that while youre alive! you can change it mate, it may take 20 years, but for fucks sake, these will be your years, your way of doing things! for end, i will leave you with my Secret (i really hope you dont know what im referencing here), it helped me many times, i hope it will have some value to you too, "Litany against fear" from The Dune serial:

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

Peace and love to you all, and thank you for sharing these stories... its whats makes us experience each others as humans... and we need that...
Hey man alot to take in. Can relate to a bit of it myself. You show the "struggle" well. Seems this topic went from lonliness to social anxiety to mental health.

All in good discussion.

"as for you guys, fuck you dr kiz, no one loves you, but no one hates you also, i understand that you hate weakness you carry in yourself, and you play power/psycho/caretaker game, you need that, but you aint getting it from me.. go your way and be safe..."

I could take offense, but you're probably right in some ways. And I wish you wellness and safety as well.
 
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