pro mix or coco

HaroldRocks

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My coco goes completely dry uh before every feeding. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but my plants have never suffered from the coco their in being completely dried out?

Right - you want it to mostly dry out between waterings - at least in my application also...but i don't use small pots either....still, i think you need to let it mostly dry out, but not become bone-dry, before you water again
 

Arkos

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Right - you want it to mostly dry out between waterings - at least in my application also...but i don't use small pots either....still, i think you need to let it mostly dry out, but not become bone-dry, before you water again
It's a double edge sword, water too frequently and the roots will rot, infrequently and the salts in the coco become solid causing lockouts/toxicities.
Letiting the coco dry out a little to get some oxygen to the roots but not so much so the salts become crystals is best imo.
 

pulpoinspace

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sounds like im perfect where i'm at. peat based you can get away with 48 hours even in 3gal grow bags. if i switched to coco i'd like to have a drip system and spend the effort dialing it rather than hand water every day.
 

guitarguy10

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Right - you want it to mostly dry out between waterings - at least in my application also...but i don't use small pots either....still, i think you need to let it mostly dry out, but not become bone-dry, before you water again
I agree, which is why I was confused. I was replying to Renfro who said "Coco is totally a different animal than peat based mixes. You want to allow a peat based mix to dry out between waterings, with coco you must NOT allow that to happen. "
 

solakani

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I agree, which is why I was confused. I was replying to Renfro who said "Coco is totally a different animal than peat based mixes. You want to allow a peat based mix to dry out between waterings, with coco you must NOT allow that to happen. "
Look at it this way. With coco the watering schedule can be more frequent than a peat based mix because sifted coco cannot be over watered. I use sifted, buffered coco with 10% amendments in a wicking pot with reservoir. A poor man's blumat.
 

NukaKola

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A lot of you aren’t using coco to it’s potential. You want to use smaller pots, and feeding frequently. In flower you should be feeding multiple times per day.

Anything over 3 gallons is not necessary IMO. If you want to feed every 48-72 hours then you should use a peat based medium or soil. Coco does not need a dry cycle. It is a very porous medium and has plenty of O2 even when saturated so you do not need to worry about root rot.

Sure your plants may not being dying due to the dry cycles but you are missing out on a lot of potential growth.

I’m surprised with all the wealth of knowledge out there regarding coco, that so many of you in this thread are running coco but not treating it like such.
 

solakani

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If it were not for the prohibitive cost of coco I would love to use it for my outdoors grow and not be limited to 3 gallons. bigger roots = bigger fruit$
 

StareCase

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... Incidentally I am trying promix hp right now for this mother plant I'm growing, I'll let you know my observations. so far I'm liking it a lot ...
I contacted PT Horticulture about pH levels when growing in ProMix HP. They have designed the medium to stabilize pH between 5.9 and 6.2 right out of the bale and the source water pH should be the same as the pH of the medium. Based on their reply, my current ProMix bale pH reads 6.1 - so the source water should also be 6.1.

What source water pH do you give your mother?
 

solakani

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Biggest culprit for root rot in my coco application has been proper aeration. I sift coco and use the bigger stuff. My unsifted coco contains over 50% coco peat. Growing in a medium with coco peat will cause root rot when the coco peat does not retain air.
 

xtsho

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A lot of you aren’t using coco to it’s potential. You want to use smaller pots, and feeding frequently. In flower you should be feeding multiple times per day.

Anything over 3 gallons is not necessary IMO. If you want to feed every 48-72 hours then you should use a peat based medium or soil. Coco does not need a dry cycle. It is a very porous medium and has plenty of O2 even when saturated so you do not need to worry about root rot.

Sure your plants may not being dying due to the dry cycles but you are missing out on a lot of potential growth.

I’m surprised with all the wealth of knowledge out there regarding coco, that so many of you in this thread are running coco but not treating it like such.
I agree with you with the exception of a freshly transplanted small plant into a big container of coco. A 4 - 6 inch plant in 3+ gallons of coco doesn't need daily watering unless the coco is drying out due to heat, low humidity, etc... In those instances I've found that the root growth is faster when the coco stays good and damp but not soaking. Growing in fabric pots I've always judged the time to start daily watering by when the roots started to poke through the sides and bottom. That's using 3 gallon pots of straight coco which is somewhat different than a coco/perlite blend which dries out faster.

Using blumats I haven't noticed any difference in growth than when I was hand watering until runoff but that's likely due to the fact that blumats provide continuous feed and the coco never dries out. But as for those letting the coco dry out and treating it more like soil, I don't think that's the best practice with coco.
 

xtsho

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Biggest culprit for root rot in my coco application has been proper aeration. I sift coco and use the bigger stuff. My unsifted coco contains over 50% coco peat. Growing in a medium with coco peat will cause root rot when the coco peat does not retain air.
What coco are you using? I use Botanicare and it has a very low percentage of fine coco. I don't use perlite just straight coco. In the past I've had coco that was more fine than I like so I stopped using those brands.
 

HaroldRocks

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Yea coco dust is the worst

I like the 70 - 30 coco perlite mixes...I put 2 plants each in an 18 gallon tote and add 2 cu ft of coco/perlite and flower away
 

solakani

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What coco are you using? I use Botanicare and it has a very low percentage of fine coco. I don't use perlite just straight coco. In the past I've had coco that was more fine than I like so I stopped using those brands.
Canna Coco Brick sifted with 1/4" screen. I could certainly wreck the buffers in my coco medium with just one water only feed and send my plants shock but there is no good reason to do that.
 

NukaKola

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i love when ppl try to tell you that you can't overwater coco :lol:

you most certainly can get root rot that way
Exactly it's pretty easy even, just water always when the medium is still wet.
If you have even the smallest amount of common sense you will not overwater coco. Once the roots have filled the pot you can multi-feed daily without fear of overwatering. I would literally have to leave my irrigation running constantly before root rot is a possibility on my flowering plants.

If you have a seedling or just transplanted and the roots aren’t established then obviously you need to be more conservative.

If you get root rot with coco then you should literally not be growing. It is the most difficult medium to overwater.
 

Arkos

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If you get root rot with coco then you should literally not be growing.
I did a test on a some plants I didn't give a fuck about and no the root system was not underdeveloped, they was always rootbound in those 5 gal dumb plastic pot's :roll:

Ridiculous amounts of water ? You bet your ass, some of them did take it though, amazingly. It was the two smallest plants that rotted, make sense since they don't drink as much :wall:

But it was a fun experiment nonetheless and I got to give the weed to some fucking scumbags who deserve nothing better, win win situation :-D
 
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