Former President Trump fires patriots in charge of the military and replaces them with yes men

[DIY-HP-LED]

Trump was shit, not something Ive ever questioned.

Nice addition of your bullshit into it though, real subtle.

Like I'll said, I keep looking for solutions to America's problems inside America and you keep looking at the Russians who are just holding up a mirror. I'm not just here to bitch and complain, though I do my share. If you don't want to view this last election as a moral failure on the part of 72 million Americans and counting fine, blame the Russians for your history.

I will agree it is not a very useful strategic POV, that is not it's intention, it is for people like you to use, to put social pressure on those you love and care about, it's why I've spent so much time explaining how they think and why. It's why they need to be saved from themselves by those who know better and can see more clearly. Call it arrogance or call it reality, but be prepared to prove either.

 

[hanimmal]

Like I'll said, I keep looking for solutions to America's problems inside America and you keep looking at the Russians who are just holding up a mirror.

If by holding up a mirror, you mean isolating hundred of millions of American citizens and pinpointing the exact propaganda that those Americans care about (as found by the number of clicks/time reading story/websites visited/actual chat logs of different accounts/whatever you do online or around a cellphone) to be amplified, and form a information bubble,(when their troll army spams that exact nonsense at them across every chat feed that the human being looks at, building fake credibility) to the very real problems that our society faces.

While using their citizens tax dollars to fund their attack that led Trump to be able to get elected in 2016, and a whole lot of dirty Republicans thanks to American companies like the NRA.

Sure.

I'm not just here to bitch and complain, though I do my share. If you don't want to view this last election as a moral failure on the part of 72 million Americans and counting fine, blame the Russians for your history.

Im saying correctly define it and not pretend like you are in a position to say why those 72 million Americans (22% of our population) choices are based on some moral failure.

That type of shit is what the Russians are trying to spam to divide our nation further.

And is part of the reason I find the things you say here suspect. I accept that you are a happy Canadian and all that, I would just suggest to figure out why you feel compelled to say some of the things I have seen you say here.

If you had a choice, you see someone getting beat up on a bridge that a baby is crawling to the edge of and about to fall over. You can stop the fight, or save the baby, but not both. What would you do?

I will agree it is not a very useful strategic POV, that is not it's intention, it is for people like you to use, to put social pressure on those you love and care about, it's why I've spent so much time explaining how they think and why. It's why they need to be saved from themselves by those who know better and can see more clearly. Call it arrogance or call it reality, but be prepared to prove either.

I dont understand any of this and think you are just making noise at the end. If you want to have a real conversation I think we have enough to go on before this part.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

If by holding up a mirror, you mean isolating hundred of millions of American citizens and pinpointing the exact propaganda that those Americans care about (as found by the number of clicks/time reading story/websites visited/actual chat logs of different accounts/whatever you do online or around a cellphone) to be amplified, and form a information bubble,(when their troll army spams that exact nonsense at them across every chat feed that the human being looks at, building fake credibility) to the very real problems that our society faces.

While using their citizens tax dollars to fund their attack that led Trump to be able to get elected in 2016, and a whole lot of dirty Republicans thanks to American companies like the NRA.

Sure.

The Russian problem is about to be addressed, Joe is a patriot and experts who know everything you posted and more will soon be in charge. That battle has been largely won, but you know what I think about the influence and responsibilities of media and of Russian or other interference and the extreme measures I support to counter it.

2016 was about foreign interference, 2020 was about moral failure on a near catastrophic level, considering the past four years. There is a reason the world is shocked, a repudiation was required and not delivered, but we will take what we can get though, as will a majority of Americans. You can't change the world, much less America over night, but it is worth the time, effort and thought.

Im saying correctly define it and not pretend like you are in a position to say why those 72 million Americans (22% of our population) choices are based on some moral failure.

I'm saying otherwise and it is useful to view it like that when dealing with friends and family. Will you ever allow such people to occupy the moral high ground again? To wave the flag of patriotisms unchallenged? To allow fascists who oppose your nations constitution to hold it symbol and show it to the world? Moral failings are not forgiven as easily as others, the 5 to1 ratio of carrots to sticks applies there too, nature recycles a lot.

OK they did a statistical sample of America and found 72 million moral failures from the 150 million tested in the national IQ test (numbers subject to change as results come in). 22% out of 320? Million, is representitive of others, it was in effect a large scale poll that was highly accurate, except it's a lot more complicated than that, if we take age and demographics into the equation. It is fair to say at this moment in time, the nation is divided and a mere 5 million votes out of 150 million cast is the difference between literally life and death. This is a very dangerous and undesirable position to be in, on the brink of social and political suicide.

Uncle Sam needs all the help he can get, professional and otherwise, his head is clearing up and the fever has broken for now, but he is still pretty sick and it's more than covid.

 

[hanimmal]

The Russian problem is about to be addressed, Joe is a patriot and experts who know everything you posted and more will soon be in charge. That battle has been largely won, but you know what I think about the influence and responsibilities of media and of Russian or other interference and the extreme measures I support to counter it.

Bullshit.

The real problem is not even begun to be addressed yet.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-15313078

2016 was about foreign interference, 2020 was about moral failure on a near catastrophic level, considering the past four years. There is a reason the world is shocked, a repudiation was required and not delivered, but we will take what we can get though, as will a majority of Americans. You can't change the world, much less America over night, but it is worth the time, effort and thought.

Again more bullshit.

The attack on our democracy never stopped. Listen to what the FBI director says at 2:01:00 if you actually think otherwise.

You never answered the question I posed for you. It was about moral equivalency and your hubris at thinking you know why people do what they do enough to determine a moral stance on their choices.

I'm saying otherwise and it is useful to view it like that when dealing with friends and family. Will you ever allow such people to occupy the moral high ground again? To wave the flag of patriotisms unchallenged? To allow fascists who oppose your nations constitution to hold it symbol and show it to the world? Moral failings are not forgiven as easily as others, the 5 to1 ratio of carrots to sticks applies there too, nature recycles a lot.

OK they did a statistical sample of America and found 72 million moral failures from the 150 million tested in the national IQ test (numbers subject to change as results come in). 22% out of 320? Million, is representitive of others, it was in effect a large scale poll that was highly accurate, except it's a lot more complicated than that, if we take age and demographics into the equation. It is fair to say at this moment in time, the nation is divided and a mere 5 million votes out of 150 million cast is the difference between literally life and death. This is a very dangerous and undesirable position to be in, on the brink of social and political suicide.

Uncle Sam needs all the help he can get, professional and otherwise, his head is clearing up and the fever has broken for now, but he is still pretty sick and it's more than covid.

You make a lot of noise to not really say anything decipherable.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Again more bullshit.

The attack on our democracy never stopped. Listen to what the FBI director says at 2:01:00 if you actually think otherwise.

You never answered the question I posed for you. It was about moral equivalency and your hubris at thinking you know why people do what they do enough to determine a moral stance on their choices.

I didn't say it stopped or that it was not on going, it's that it had little effect in this election, America is what it is at this moment. I said it is about to be solved, not yet solved, by professionals who are also butt hurt and motivated to do a good job.

This election was about morality and patriotism, that is unambitious, Trump literally had no platform ofrpolicy and ran against the constitution and rule of law directly FFS, he tried to order Barr to arrest his opponents and tormentors. This choice was as clear and unambiguous a moral failure that I have seen in North America, it ranks with other places around the world, unpleasant places. These people looked soldiers and healthcare workers in the fucking eye while they cut their fucking throats.

I wouldn't live long in many American bars, unarmed, by pointing that out, cognitive dissidence is a bitch, It doesn't mean a fucking thing.

I babble but I make sense and I have a rather sharp and uncomfortable point to make here, but I also point to solutions, both large scale and where the rubber meets the road, like across the kitchen table. It's not all love and understanding, there is accountability and self consistency too, what else are they willing to have a blind eye for? Kids in cages are not enough, perhaps death camps?

 

[hanimmal]

I didn't say it stopped or that it was not on going, it's that it had little effect in this election

Again more bullshit.

You cannot possibly know what percent of Americans were attacked and how often during this last election. And obviously you didn't bother to watch what the actual FBI director had to say on this very real and very widespread attack on our citizens if you actually think you can say what you did so confidently.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/former-president-trump-fires-patriots-in-charge-of-the-military-and-replaces-them-with-yes-men.1037115/post-15931787

America is what it is at this moment.

America is what it is every moment. Same with humanity.

I said it is about to be solved, not yet solved, by professionals who are also butt hurt and motivated to do a good job.

Which is much nonsense as it was when Trump said back last winter when he said Covid would disappear by spring.

This election was about morality and patriotism

that is unambitious,

Did you mean unambiguous?

Trump literally had now platform of policy and ran against the constitution and rule of law directly FFS,

Yeah, and hundreds of millions of Americans were spammed with propaganda about how our cities were burning down or that every cop was out there murdering innocent citizens, and anything and everything in between radicalizing people into or against whatever it is that they are most worried about.

22% were spammed enough to want to vote for Trump. Luckily 24% of the country voted him out of office.

he tried to order Barr to arrest his opponents and tormentors.

Yes Trump was everything wrong with people like him that are willing to walk all over everything and think that they can get away with it. And Barr was someone that was willing to help, which he made evident in his 19 pages ( it think it was) job application he published about how Trump could do anything he wanted.

This choice was as clear and unambiguous a moral failure that I have seen in North America,

I would put that on the genocide of the people that lived on these lands for thousands of years. And again you are wrong. The right side of Trump's moral failures won, just like it always has when it is put up to the citizens to decide here in America.

Ot is this just a troll about your what <80 years on this planet? Because I might put that on the very real racism/ chauvinism that finally started getting stepped on in the 90's.

it ranks with other places around the world, unpleasant places.

Bullshit. I would point to the millions of ethnic Chinese people locked up or pick your genocide.

These people looked soldiers and healthcare workers in the fucking eye while they cut their fucking throats.

I wouldn't live long in many American bars, unarmed, by pointing that out, cognitive dissidence is a bitch, It doesn't mean a fucking thing.

Did you just swerve into troll, I was trying to make it though an entire post of yours before you went off the rails.

I babble but I make sense

Ah ok.

and I have a rather sharp and uncomfortable point to make here, but I also point to solutions, both large scale and where the rubber meets the road, like across the kitchen table. It's not all love and understanding, there is accountability and self consistency too, what else are they willing to have a blind eye for? Kids in cages are not enough, perhaps death camps?

You never answered my question.

You are on a bridge and see someone getting beaten and a baby about to crawl off the edge. You can save the baby or stop the fight, but not both, what do you do?

You really should not just decide you know what everyone is thinking about any particular issue, because they may have been spammed by trolls in forums that make it seem like kids being put into cages is 'fake news', but think that Democrats rip babies form their mothers arms and murder them.

That is the problem with the propaganda attack that the Russians are conducting on our citizens, not only is it shitty and effective, but unless you have access to everything a person does online, you really have no clue what it is that they are seeing enough to say if they are thinking morally or not.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

unambiguous?

Typo and I stand behind what I've written, so there is no point with a repeat.

I am familiar with the type of moral question you pose, it was common in psychology texts on moral decisions.

Perhaps to move the conversation along to more useful and productive territory have a look at this little gem from psychology that has stood the test of time. Do you think it offers any clues as to what motivates individuals and thus societies? People's needs will move from the bottom to the top and most are near the bottom right now, with responsible government, what drives people will go up the pyramid, though it does narrow in probabilities near the apex.

I like this particular representation, it seems to me, too many Americans are stuck in the bottom tiers by unnecessary necessity. Soon some will actually starve and there are many kids in America who are suffering privation right now.

 

[hanimmal]

Typo and I stand behind what I've written, so there is no point with a repeat.

I am familiar with the type of moral question you pose, it was common in psychology texts on moral decisions.

Perhaps to move the conversation along to more useful and productive territory have a look at this little gem from psychology that has stood the test of time. Do you think it offers any clues as to what motivates individuals and thus societies? People's needs will move from the bottom to the top and most are near the bottom right now, with responsible government, what drives people will go up the pyramid, though it does narrow in probabilities near the apex.

I like this particular representation, it seems to me, too many Americans are stuck in the bottom tiers by unnecessary necessity. Soon some will actually starve and there are many kids in America who are suffering privation right now.

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More trolling bullshit from you then huh.

 

[hanimmal]

 

[Grandpapy]

You are on a bridge and see someone getting beaten and a baby about to crawl off the edge. You can save the baby or stop the fight, but not both, what do you do?

If you don't stop the assholes getting ready to blow up the Dam 5 miles up stream there wont be a bridge for anyone to stand on.

Time to posse up.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I could troll and if I did, you would light on fire and self incinerate. I'm just I identifying problems to be solved and ways to do do it. I figure it's my business since you strayed over the line in several areas to crimes against humanity. I can troll if I wished to cause pain and not self reflection.

 

[hanimmal]

I could troll and if I did, you would light on fire and self incinerate. I'm just I identifying problems to be solved and ways to do do it. I figure it's my business since you strayed over the line in several areas to crimes against humanity. I can troll if I wished to cause pain and not self reflection.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Yer responding like a Trumper another version of Rob Roy, I find it amusing, not offensive.

 

[hanimmal]

Yer responding like a Trumper another version of Rob Roy, I find it amusing, not offensive.

It's only because you don't actually seem to read anything and just go off on your trolling bullshit, so what is the point.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

It's only because you don't actually seem to read anything and just go off on your trolling bullshit, so what is the point.

You post much, but actually say little, I often repeat to get the idea across several threads, but the themes and focus change over time. There are some constants though, like learned conditioned responses controlling the seeds of thought and why it is so easy for them to sell bullshit to certain people and so difficult to convince those same people of the truth. They are not all the people, but there are enough of them who don't know their arse from a hot rock to make things dangerous for everybody else. Donald didn't just magically appear out of Uncle Sam's asshole, he was the ugly face of hate in American and he qualified and quantified it. Qualified it in that anything went, there was no bottom and there never is for this kind of shit. Quantified in the 4 or 5% margin that was the line between life and death, not just for your democracy and as a free people, but death itself with a half million dead before Donald is done with his murderous rampage, cut short, but not by much.

 

[Bagginski]

Don't sugar coat it, 72 Americans are moral failures almost half of the voting population, the popular vote spread was only around 5 million so far. There is hope with the youth and people evolving, but make no mistake, if it wasn't for covid and Biden (the only one who could have won) Trump would have won the election in spite of it all. Covid was the best think that could have happened to America, killing off a half million might just save you, trust me Trump would have killed far more than that even with out covid.

You lost seats in the house and the senate is 2 seats and fight away. Nothing but racism and bigotry could have possibly brought you to this point of being close to a failed state. Everything else is a proxy, from the cult of the individual, guns, culture wars and even abortion. You cannot compromise with them, you must defeat them, they are fascists, even if they are your relatives, it is what it is. If you think you can compromise with them, who are you willing to sell out? Because that will be a requirement.

Well this has all taken an interesting turn....

Not entirely willing to call half the citizenry “moral failures”; as pointed out earlier, they have been aggressively brainwashed at work and at church for decades...and while racism and bigotry are key to what’s been happening, it’s all in service to the wealthy racists and bigots who decided in the 1950s that *they* were not going to integrate the schools, *they* were not going to let their taxes be used to integrate their schools, *they* were not going to let their children attend integrated schools. They were the ones who gave birth to the notion that “taxation is theft”, and they gave financial and political support to an economic school that is frankly covert and Leninist in its actions and its policies. That economic school has remained hidden by design, but it the the school that has been behind the transformation of the GOP from ‘actual’ conservatives to a racist, elitist, and intentionally gaslighting political machine, whose roots, founders, and actors have only recently come to light and are still pretty unknown.

The researcher who uncovered this rolling coup is Nancy McLean, and her book is “Democracy in Chains”. In it, she documents the formation, development, and ‘progress’ of this “rich man’s secret revolution”, naming names, providing the cast of characters and establishing the timeline for its activities...all based on reams of original documentation. I strongly recommend that EVERYONE who cares about “what happens next” and “how we got here” read her book - it is indispensable, illuminating, and, frankly, shocking...but I can tell you that it has filled in many gaps that I have uncovered in my half-century of research and investigation, and contradicts *nothing* that my research has revealed.

Here is a video presentation providing an overview by the author, and a link to the book itself:

Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean: 9781101980972 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books

Winner of the Lillian Smith Book Award Winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize Finalist for the National Book Award The Nation's "Most Valuable Book" “[A] vibrant intellectual history of the...

www.penguinrandomhouse.com

The problem of how we bring ourselves back from our current situation is urgent: it deserves all our attention, and every bit of understanding we can muster. It’s hard, for example, to imagine how we recover a full third of our population from the most comprehensive brainwashing effort since the Catholic Church controlled and miseducated all of Europe along with the native populations of the ‘new world’, but it must be done if we’re to avoid a blood bath that makes the pogroms of history seem like garden parties.

 

[hanimmal]

You post much, but actually say little

Because you say so?

I often repeat to get the idea across several threads, but the themes and focus change over time.

Ok?

There are some constants though, like learned conditioned responses controlling the seeds of thought and why it is so easy for them to sell bullshit to certain people and so difficult to convince those same people of the truth.

You mean your hating on America shit?

They are not all the people, but there are enough of them who don't know their arse from a hot rock to make things dangerous for everybody else.

Whose Them? You switch around so much it is impossible to follow what you write half the time.

Donald didn't just magically appear out of Uncle Sam's asshole, he was the ugly face of hate in American and he qualified and quantified it.

You go gross a lot btw. Is that on purpose? Like some little shock of peoples sensibilities so they turn the channel kind of thing?

he was the ugly face of hate in American and he qualified and quantified it.

Well this has all taken an interesting turn....

Not entirely willing to call half the citizenry “moral failures”; as pointed out earlier, they have been aggressively brainwashed at work and at church for decades...and while racism and bigotry are key to what’s been happening, it’s all in service to the wealthy racists and bigots who decided in the 1950s that *they* were not going to integrate the schools, *they* were not going to let their taxes be used to integrate their schools, *they* were not going to let their children attend integrated schools. They were the ones who gave birth to the notion that “taxation is theft”, and they gave financial and political support to an economic school that is frankly covert and Leninist in its actions and its policies. That economic school has remained hidden by design, but it the the school that has been behind the transformation of the GOP from ‘actual’ conservatives to a racist, elitist, and intentionally gaslighting political machine, whose roots, founders, and actors have only recently come to light and are still pretty unknown.

 

[Herb & Suds]

You might have a point there. I mean even dead people liked Biden so much they managed to vote for him!

Rob is a plethora of disinformation
Too bad he didn't hit the gene pool lotto and been born a Trump

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Rob is a plethora of disinformation
Too bad he didn't hit the gene pool lotto and been born a Trump

I'm sure Donald has many bastards, perhaps Rob is the bastard son, or perhaps a plain old bastard.

 

[Grandpapy]

Originally https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/russia-military-alaska-arctic-fishing.html behind a paywall