What has Trump done to this country?

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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schuylaar said:
i just saw an interview in georgia for 3 undecided women..1 went for Biden..1 says she needs to see every scrap of info and 1 says she won't vote..all three may need services at some point in their lives..my question: should we make voting mandatory? or if you don't vote you can't qualify for federal services?

not voting or not being counted in the census has consequences and if you don't wish to participate why should you get to benefit if you ever need these services you never took the time for (when others did)?

people know what SNAP recertification means and they do it or they don't get their monthly..so don't say it's a 'hardship, unconstitutional' etc.
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Make getting your tax refund contingent on voting, not voting means you consent to give the government your tax refund, in fact you'd pick the check up at the polling place along with your ballot on election years. If you are a citizen and fill out a federal/provincial income tax form you are registered to vote in Canada, there's a check box on the tax form. If you expand voting options and time frames to increase participation, it would give poor and working people a bigger voice. However these people are often easily manipulated and divided to vote against their own economic and the national interest.
 
mysunnyboy

mysunnyboy

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schuylaar said:
how much easier is it to get the booklet to read a few weeks before the ballot and the ballot is mailed. you don't even leave your house- just like a SNAP recertification.
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Some people can’t read and some not very well. Not everyone has the internet.
It’s not THAT easy for some people.
 
hillbill

hillbill

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Mandatory voting as a function of being a citizen has been discussed more lately. I think a small fine would be sufficient. Access to easy voting would be needed, not the Redneck Ruled restrictive voting rules. Republicans make laws and close polling places to select their type of white voters. No thought of fairness from the right.
 
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schuylaar

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Make getting your tax refund contingent on voting, not voting means you consent to give the government your tax refund, in fact you'd pick the check up at the polling place along with your ballot on election years. If you are a citizen and fill out a federal/provincial income tax form you are registered to vote in Canada, there's a check box on the tax form. If you expand voting options and time frames to increase participation, it would give poor and working people a bigger voice. However these people are often easily manipulated and divided to vote against their own economic and the national interest.
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it's just those who can but refuse. mail allows everyone to participate even the working poor.
 
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schuylaar

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Lincoln Project says this is just the start- Schuylaar was counting on them and they came through in spectacular fashion!!!:mrgreen::clap:

www.independent.co.uk

Ivanka and Jared skewered by Times Square billboards from Lincoln Project

‘There must be accountability for the lying and deaths — this is just the start,’ says anti-Trump conservative group
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

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wonder why I have to use back channels to find this news? the Goya shoot will haunt her forever.
 
Stone_Free

Stone_Free

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hillbill said:
Mandatory voting as a function of being a citizen has been discussed more lately. I think a small fine would be sufficient. Access to easy voting would be needed, not the Redneck Ruled restrictive voting rules. Republicans make laws and close polling places to select their type of white voters. No thought of fairness from the right.
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It's impossible to compel people to vote, unless an election official goes into the voting booth with every voter and watches them put a mark for one of the candidates. Voters can write whatever they want on their voting card. They can even draw childish pictures of a penis and put an 'X' next to that if they want.
The best way to make people vote is to have a larger number of candidates that truly represent the electorate and to make the system work for the voters, not the politicians.
Fining people for not voting for 1 of 2 candidates that don't represent that individual is wrong IMO.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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I think just making voting accessible to everyone from home. It was so nice this year, we got our ballots, got to look up the people we were voting for, vote, and put it in the ballot box on our own time and it was done. Having the option up to voting deadline is about as good as it gets IMO. Take away the roadblocks to voting and we don't have any reason to try to force voting on our citizens (which would be a failure anyways).
 
captainmorgan

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schuylaar

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Stone_Free said:
It's impossible to compel people to vote, unless an election official goes into the voting booth with every voter and watches them put a mark for one of the candidates. Voters can write whatever they want on their voting card. They can even draw childish pictures of a penis and put an 'X' next to that if they want.
The best way to make people vote is to have a larger number of candidates that truly represent the electorate and to make the system work for the voters, not the politicians.
Fining people for not voting for 1 of 2 candidates that don't represent that individual is wrong IMO.
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so then there should be no accountability process when their voice isn't recorded? i don't care who they vote for but when i hear a female say they won't vote?, it infuriates me because of what women endured in the early 1900s- jailing, force feedings and death. why should we need to recertify SNAP or anything for that matter? why don't we just start an honor system with services? why should we care about re-districting..what's the point of census?

Q: do you walk up to a McD, Burger King, Sonic window and take someone else's food? why/why not?

If you don't wish to participate in the most basic function of being an american, why do you feel you deserve her since you let her down? I mean why are you even here when others would give their right arm to be in america pre-2016.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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schuylaar said:
so then there should be no accountability process when their voice isn't recorded? i don't care who they vote for but when i hear a female say they won't vote?, it infuriates me because of what women endured in the early 1900s- jailing, force feedings and death. why should we need to recertify SNAP or anything for that matter? why don't we just start an honor system with services? why should we care about re-districting..what's the point of census?

Q: do you walk up to a McD, Burger King, Sonic window and take someone else's food? why/why not?

If you don't wish to participate in the most basic function of being an american, why do you feel you deserve her since you let her down? I mean why are you even here when others would give their right arm to be in america pre-2016.
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The only way to do it in America is to have a democratic participation incentive tax deduction and include the voting receipt ya get from the elections office with yer return. Mail in or in person if you return your ballot or show and vote you get an income tax deduction and perhaps even get your tax refund check, non participation means you donate it to Uncle Sam. It's not like non voters will have any say in what happens to them, they don't vote remember.
 
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