Why is defoliation so controversial?

MICHI-CAN

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Curious.. Are your outdoor plants flowering? Im at latitude 47 in the northeast, and mine are not
I'm giving you Northern states outdoor grow secret here. Plant on the East side of a building within 20 feet. Will help to early flower and possibly actually finish without help. Not hemp friendly in the north. Gives you a 2 week head start and some protection from the winds.
 

Gorillabilly

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That's my goal. Light equals energy. And I believe mature lower shade leaves take more than they give. Just can't recall the thesis paper and study I read.
Yea, I think some of the controversy around defoliation comes from light type. LED doesn't penitrate as well as hps so weed under an LED benifits from some trimming where its not needed as much with hps.
 

MICHI-CAN

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Yea, I think some of the controversy around defoliation comes from light type. LED doesn't penitrate as well as hps so weed under an LED benifits from some trimming where its not needed as much with hps.
Having come from a time before HID I don't agree. Example being: What happens when you top? You get double the growth. Same principles apply to "defoliating". We called it defensive growth when I worked in a commercial greenhouse 35 years ago. It's a natural defense response to natural predation. How else would the plant survive in the wild? A lot of really high level growers are clueless. Yet they all promote topping??????
 

MICHI-CAN

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Having come from a time before HID I don't agree. Example being: What happens when you top? You get double the growth. Same principles apply to "defoliating". We called it defensive growth when I worked in a commercial greenhouse 35 years ago. It's a natural defense response to natural predation. How else would the plant survive in the wild? A lot of really high level growers are clueless. Yet they all promote topping??????
I forgot to ask if HPS don't cast shadows. Sorry.
 

Boatguy

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I'm giving you Northern states outdoor grow secret here. Plant on the East side of a building within 20 feet. Will help to early flower and possibly actually finish without help. Not hemp friendly in the north. Gives you a 2 week head start and some protection from the winds.
My yard faces east to west. veggie garden is out of hand.
Just curious if your outdoor plants are flowering. Are you in michigan?
 

Apalchen

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Well the net makes it way harder to reach stuff since I don't have rolling tables it's hard to get as much leaf as when I just had stakes. I got a 1/4 of the room done last night. I'll try to finish as much as possible tonight but it will likely take me 3 days to get it all done. I'll try to get some pics while under the canopy tonight to show how full and shaded it is underneath. I noticed a few of the leaves seemed rather wet down inside the canopy so again I do this mostly for light penetration but believe I would have mold issues as well if left so thick.
Side not done yet
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Already defoliated side
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Very front of the trellis not as full as it should be but I got a little overzealous when building trellis and it's a foot longer than it really should be it thickens up as it gets closer to the light.
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MICHI-CAN

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Ok I was just worrying about keeping my soil oversaturated. But I guess if it's just light rain off and on might as well give em food
Mine made it through the deluge and long standing ponds last year. My raised bed was a fish pond for a week.
 

Yamweedy

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“Near ripening time I do take most leaves off so all the buds get good light, just leaving the smaller leaves near the tips, or else the lower buds won't thicken up enough.”

How many days into flower are we talking bad about?
 

Huktonponics

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It was my understanding that newer, younger leaves photosynthesise better than the big fuck off satellite leaves.

I do it situational. Depending on your ambient climate and humidity, strain,lights and enviroment do as you see fit.

I also do it all the way through to reduce popcorn, increase air flow, reduce humidity and to generally get light down into the plants, but nothing extreme.

The debate on defoliating is like Covid, it will never end. But I don't bash people for doing or not doing it.

If I monster cropped some cuttings, yep, them fuckers are getting brutalised cos they go ape shit and need controlling.
 

Southside112

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What so many people fail to understand is that bud sites don't need direct light. Leave the leaves alone. If the plant didn't need that many leaves why would they make them?
Now a small lollipop of the extreme lowers makes sense to direct energy towards the big tops.
 

JonCreighton

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how does a plant distribute the light it recieves? do the fan leaves at the sites of colas only direct the energy they receive to the bud sites they are adjacent to. or is the light recieved by fan leaves distributed throughtou the whole plant?

from a photon capture perspective..... if the former is true it would make sence to defoliate... if the latter is true i dont see the point...
 

Southside112

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how does a plant distribute the light it recieves? do the fan leaves at the sites of colas only direct the energy they receive to the bud sites they are adjacent to. or is the light recieved by fan leaves distributed throughtou the whole plant?

from a photon capture perspective..... if the former is true it would make sence to defoliate... if the latter is true i dont see the point...
Pretty sure it's the latter. Look at an orange tree. Huge ripe fruit on the tree that get no direct light. Leaves are also an insurance policy for the plant in case of deficiency or pest.
 

MICHI-CAN

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I can't believe I'm here again. Times are tough.LOL.

Do it, don't. Your call. My grows and learning indicate it is beneficial if done correctly. Detrimental otherwise.

If you have a solid soil or base under good conditions with healthy plants you can increase production. It is called dead heading in my other pursuits. A responsive reaction to plant damage stimulating increased growth and vigor.

I wish more people listened to "Mother Nature". And less to people trying to claim omnipotence over her. Foolish endeavors.
 
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