First grow! Looking for feedback!

OneHitDone

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I hear you. I wish my compadre had given me better advice. Lol. Hes been telling me they look good haha. I was wondering why they werent praying, figured it was a side effect of monstercropping... just finally been seeing 7 pointed leaves after all this time. I am 100% out of FOOP veg nutes... they'll probably make it 72 hours or less before needing water/food again. What do you think I should do? Just plain water next time? Will that help me stretch veg by a few days? If I don't have any other options I might just have to flip em. I don't want to get into deeper shit than I already am. It's probably not a good idea, but maybe a shot of happy endings? I'd assume is no good to mix nutrient lines, probably causes more problems than it solves if I had to guess.
Not familiar with the FOOP program. Is it like Nectar For the Gods where they want you flushing all the time?
Do you ph that shit every time you water?
Can't see a straight watering or a shot of Happy Endings interfering with another organic based line
 

vitalsine

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Not familiar with the FOOP program. Is it like Nectar For the Gods where they want you flushing all the time?
Do you ph that shit every time you water?
Can't see a straight watering or a shot of Happy Endings interfering with another organic based line
FOOP doesn't require/recommend any flushing, just change right over from veg to their bloom. Supposedly it doesn't need to be flushed at all, you just pull back the last cpl weeks, never stop. I always pH the water to 6.2-6.5. I'm going to just do some RO water with some Fish Shit and Liquid Seaweed on the next water. If I need to keep vegging more than a week I will have to try the Happy Endings.
 

NukaKola

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FOOP doesn't require/recommend any flushing, just change right over from veg to their bloom. Supposedly it doesn't need to be flushed at all, you just pull back the last cpl weeks, never stop. I always pH the water to 6.2-6.5. I'm going to just do some RO water with some Fish Shit and Liquid Seaweed on the next water. If I need to keep vegging more than a week I will have to try the Happy Endings.
One thing I would recommend is that if you’re going to run organic nutrients it’s better to run them with an organic soil. You’re using Promix & coco which are both considered soil-less mediums and are treated more like hydro since they are very porous, and are inert meaning they contain no food.

Ideally soil-less mediums work better with salt based nutrients since they are readily available food for the plant and fast acting. Organic nutrients are meant to be broken down by microbes which create food for the plant so you want a rich soil full of organic matter which is a good environment for microbes.

I would pick up some salt based nutrients and continue veg. A simple bottle of Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro would work great.

Also, using bloom nutrients will not affect the plants veg or flower cycles, it’s completely based on the light cycles. I tend to run a mixture of veg and bloom nutrients up until about halfway through flowering and then go full bloom. If you completely cut out veg and switch straight to bloom nutrients when you flower chances are your plants will Yellow early due to the lower nitrogen content of bloom nutrients.
 

OneHitDone

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I didn't read too close in the beginning admittedly. As long as he added something like worm castings or compost to give a little biological boost he's good to roll. Looking at most of the plants the nutrients are clearly plant available.
My "soil" mix is based on Sunshine #4 which is similar to ProMix and has been working flawless with dry amendments
Worst case if he has too much aeration is that he will be watering very frequently when it's go time :peace:
 

HydroKid239

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One thing I would recommend is that if you’re going to run organic nutrients it’s better to run them with an organic soil. You’re using Promix & coco which are both considered soil-less mediums and are treated more like hydro since they are very porous, and are inert meaning they contain no food.

Ideally soil-less mediums work better with salt based nutrients since they are readily available food for the plant and fast acting. Organic nutrients are meant to be broken down by microbes which create food for the plant so you want a rich soil full of organic matter which is a good environment for microbes.

I would pick up some salt based nutrients and continue veg. A simple bottle of Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro would work great.

Also, using bloom nutrients will not affect the plants veg or flower cycles, it’s completely based on the light cycles. I tend to run a mixture of veg and bloom nutrients up until about halfway through flowering and then go full bloom. If you completely cut out veg and switch straight to bloom nutrients when you flower chances are your plants will Yellow early due to the lower nitrogen content of bloom nutrients.
rue. Dealing with that now.. but I also heard thru the grapevine that sativas don't really like a lot of N in Bloom phase so yellowing of a few leaves is not a huge issue.. but not to lose focus on any other deficiencies. Just paying it forward, and I hope it all works out.
 

vitalsine

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Quick visual update.


@OneHitDone, everything is looking much better after pulling back on light intensity. They seem to be adjusting after I fell behind on watering too. Just have to keep a closer eye on them as now it seems I'll have to water every other day or so. They've been drying out much quicker.

@NukaKola Sadly I didn't add anything to my medium other than the ProMix, Coco, and Perlite. I wasn't aware at the time that I was going to have to, lesson learned. Regardless, it does seem like they're getting the nutrients, otherwise, I'd be having more issues, no? Definitely going to stay away from synthetics so I will have to make some adjustments next time, if I go back to FOOP that is, I think I will be fine with Grean Bicycles, I'm really excited about it.

My seedlings have been doing pretty good, I think. haha. As I mentioned in a previous post, I had a 100% success rate when germinating, but now that they've been in the dirt for 4-5 days, there are a few lagging behind or dead. As you can see in the video, none of the Dosidos x 9# Hammer have broken soil. Well, one has, but it hasn't moved a cm since. There are also a couple of other seedlings, 1 PNW High and 1 9#, that have broken soil but seem to have stopped growing altogether. You can see that the seed shell is still on there in the video. Is there hope for these 5 stragglers? I am hoping so.

 

OneHitDone

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If a seed coat refused to eject you can always go in with the emergency surgery approach
Mist them with water a few times to try to soften the coat up and take some tweezers and gently spread it open and remove it.
I have saved many seeds from death this way :peace:
 

vitalsine

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If a seed coat refused to eject you can always go in with the emergency surgery approach
Mist them with water a few times to try to soften the coat up and take some tweezers and gently spread it open and remove it.
I have saved many seeds from death this way :peace:
I'll give that a try tonight. What do you think about flipping soon? The canopy is really starting to fill out, some branches are almost to the walls, so I don't want to push too much further if I don't have to... I will share another video soon where they're not recovering from training, maybe that'll give you a better idea? Thanks again for your guidance brother.
 

HydroKid239

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Quick visual update.


@OneHitDone, everything is looking much better after pulling back on light intensity. They seem to be adjusting after I fell behind on watering too. Just have to keep a closer eye on them as now it seems I'll have to water every other day or so. They've been drying out much quicker.

@NukaKola Sadly I didn't add anything to my medium other than the ProMix, Coco, and Perlite. I wasn't aware at the time that I was going to have to, lesson learned. Regardless, it does seem like they're getting the nutrients, otherwise, I'd be having more issues, no? Definitely going to stay away from synthetics so I will have to make some adjustments next time, if I go back to FOOP that is, I think I will be fine with Grean Bicycles, I'm really excited about it.

My seedlings have been doing pretty good, I think. haha. As I mentioned in a previous post, I had a 100% success rate when germinating, but now that they've been in the dirt for 4-5 days, there are a few lagging behind or dead. As you can see in the video, none of the Dosidos x 9# Hammer have broken soil. Well, one has, but it hasn't moved a cm since. There are also a couple of other seedlings, 1 PNW High and 1 9#, that have broken soil but seem to have stopped growing altogether. You can see that the seed shell is still on there in the video. Is there hope for these 5 stragglers? I am hoping so.

I wouldn't worry. I planted a seedling about 3 weeks ago and it's been outdoors. It's now 6 inches tall.. but after the first 2 inches above soil it stunted somehow.. but now it's taking off. Best of luck. Hopefully it's minor shock stunting them.
 

vitalsine

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I didn't read too close in the beginning admittedly. As long as he added something like worm castings or compost to give a little biological boost he's good to roll. Looking at most of the plants the nutrients are clearly plant available.
My "soil" mix is based on Sunshine #4 which is similar to ProMix and has been working flawless with dry amendments
Worst case if he has too much aeration is that he will be watering very frequently when it's go time :peace:
Would adding some ocean bounty help with this? Or am I too far gone to add a little "biological boost"? Haha. I do have some worm castings and grokashi as well, but not sure how I'd add them at this point.
 

OneHitDone

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Would adding some ocean bounty help with this? Or am I too far gone to add a little "biological boost"? Haha. I do have some worm castings and grokashi as well, but not sure how I'd add them at this point.
Just sprinkle a little worm casting and / or grokashi on the top of the soil and "scratch" it in with your fingers in the top couple inches and your good to go.
 

vitalsine

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Just sprinkle a little worm casting and / or grokashi on the top of the soil and "scratch" it in with your fingers in the top couple inches and your good to go.
Sprinkled around 1/2 cup of worm castings and 1/3 cup of grokashi on every pot. Scratched it in with my fingers 2-3 inches deep then just moved everything around on top. I will water tomorrow morning, they're getting light but still got a bit of juice in em. Seems to be about every 60 hours.

Probably going to flip tomorrow, can't afford for them to get much bigger.
 

vitalsine

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Flipped! Lights went off at 8am, going to leave them in the dark for 24 hours and turn the lights back on at a 12-12 schedule tomorrow at 8am. Took the time to aerate the foop on their last feeding, 24 hours with an airstone had it foaming like crazy! Hopefully all of that biological activity mixes well with the worm castings and grokashi. Wish I could take a look right now but don't want to fuck around.

Regarding my sad looking leaves last week. I took a measurement of the pH of the soil the other night and it was roughly 7.0 (the meter is not digital), my runoff yesterday was 6.45. Could that have something to do with them looking sad? I know 7 is a little high, but they should still be able to uptake most of the nutrients. Right? Just trying to figure out what their issue was, cause I still am unsure. Lowering the intensity of the lighting seemed to help a little at least.
 

insomnia65

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Flipped! Lights went off at 8am, going to leave them in the dark for 24 hours and turn the lights back on at a 12-12 schedule tomorrow at 8am. Took the time to aerate the foop on their last feeding, 24 hours with an airstone had it foaming like crazy! Hopefully all of that biological activity mixes well with the worm castings and grokashi. Wish I could take a look right now but don't want to fuck around.

Regarding my sad looking leaves last week. I took a measurement of the pH of the soil the other night and it was roughly 7.0 (the meter is not digital), my runoff yesterday was 6.45. Could that have something to do with them looking sad? I know 7 is a little high, but they should still be able to uptake most of the nutrients. Right? Just trying to figure out what their issue was, cause I still am unsure. Lowering the intensity of the lighting seemed to help a little at least.
Wow OMG You are am inspiration man.
Excellent work.
 

vitalsine

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Just a quick update on the seedlings. Everyone is looking good, ended up having to perform emergency c-sections on 3-4 of them to remove the seed shell, but they look good.

1 of the 3 9lb Hammer x Dosidos testers is like Frankenstein, after about a week of them all not doing anything, I scrapped away some of the surface medium and found a tiny bit of green. For the hell of it I dug out what was there, one of them was like a blob of what I'm guessing was just the meat inside the shell and I could see a little green, the other had the tiniest taproot. I decided to try and save the one with the tiny taproot and it seems to have taken, the others I am counting as failures. Not sure what happened... They had taproot exposed before they went into the medium and the rest broke soil just fine... I guess that's what their testers, maybe weak genetics? Not sure.

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This guy has a new roomate! Not sure where this fella came from or wtf it is, but it's made itself at home.

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Post surgery, recovering well.

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This guy is too big for his britches

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It's alive! *Gene Wilder voice*.
 

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PissingNutes

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Quick visual update.


@OneHitDone, everything is looking much better after pulling back on light intensity. They seem to be adjusting after I fell behind on watering too. Just have to keep a closer eye on them as now it seems I'll have to water every other day or so. They've been drying out much quicker.

@NukaKola Sadly I didn't add anything to my medium other than the ProMix, Coco, and Perlite. I wasn't aware at the time that I was going to have to, lesson learned. Regardless, it does seem like they're getting the nutrients, otherwise, I'd be having more issues, no? Definitely going to stay away from synthetics so I will have to make some adjustments next time, if I go back to FOOP that is, I think I will be fine with Grean Bicycles, I'm really excited about it.

My seedlings have been doing pretty good, I think. haha. As I mentioned in a previous post, I had a 100% success rate when germinating, but now that they've been in the dirt for 4-5 days, there are a few lagging behind or dead. As you can see in the video, none of the Dosidos x 9# Hammer have broken soil. Well, one has, but it hasn't moved a cm since. There are also a couple of other seedlings, 1 PNW High and 1 9#, that have broken soil but seem to have stopped growing altogether. You can see that the seed shell is still on there in the video. Is there hope for these 5 stragglers? I am hoping so.

You can read up on how coco is actual going to hold a lot of microbial life and that soilless inert mediums don't mean inorganic growing. Should before going ahead with Rollitup recommendations.
 
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