Defund Police

Fogdog

Fogdog

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JoeBlow5823 said:
Thats a fucking joke. In 2018, there were 686,665 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States. That comes out to $437 per officer. You really think a few hundred dollars worth of training is going to make a fucking difference?
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It will be a higher number per officer after the defunding is finished. As Captain Brown said in the OP, we've defunded all forms of other social services and put the job of doing them on the police. So, let's take his advice. Fund a mental health system, fund drug treatment, end the war on drugs, fund programs for at-risk kids and so forth. Pay for fewer cops, regulate those cops better (fund THAT instead of more cops) and put the money where it will employ people with skills in the right areas.

What part of that don't you understand?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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JoeBlow5823 said:
Remember the Andy Griffith Show? One of the biggest points of that show was that if everyone treats each other with respect and decency, there is no need for police and their job is essentially a joke. Act like animals, treat each other like animals, get treated like animals. Change starts with people, not the government. Violence begets violence.
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We have too many Barneys on police forces and they drove out the Andys.
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How about if our cops don't torture murder people while looking right into the camera? How about if the cops are only allowed to carry one bullet and it can't be in his gun?
 
potroastV2

potroastV2

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Fogdog said:
It will be a higher number per officer after the defunding is finished. As Captain Brown said in the OP, we've defunded all forms of other social services and put the job of doing them on the police. So, let's take his advice. Fund a mental health system, fund drug treatment, end the war on drugs, fund programs for at-risk kids and so forth. Pay for fewer cops, regulate those cops better (fund THAT instead of more cops) and put the money where it will employ people with skills in the right areas.

What part of that don't you understand?
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I sprayed a mouthful of Bosco on my screen! You're asking blowjoe if he understands??? :lol: :lol:


That's like asking trump if he understands ethics.


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Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Fogdog said:
Change won't happen until cops who kill people for no good reason know they face an authority that will punish them for it.
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What you need is more civil courage. Where I live, if you see someone attempting to take someone elses life it's ok to simply kill the would-be killer. Why exactly are all these rifles & guns distributed to the US people when no one makes good use of them? Just because it's an officer doesn't mean he isn't a criminal mofo that should get a bullet to his brain better sooner than later....
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Kassiopeija said:
What you need is more civil courage. Where I live, if you see someone attempting to take someone elses life it's ok to simply kill the would-be killer. Why exactly are all these rifles & guns distributed to the US people when no one makes good use of them? Just because it's an officer doesn't mean he isn't a criminal mofo that should get a bullet to his brain better sooner than later....
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lulz If only it were so simple. I can't say I've wondered why they weren't interfered with. I wouldn't mind if somebody who knows why it would be against the law to have stopped the Floyd murder (not rob roy, he lives in fantasy land).

Actually, those officers were probably not breaking the law. There is a different standard of justice applied to them. It's an nice thought though. My guess is they will get off with not guilty.

Good question about why so many guns are out there if they can't be used to save lives. Except it's different if the gun is in the hands of a white man vs a black man, especially in the eyes of a cop. Our justice system is broken. Has been for a long time.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Fogdog said:
Actually, those officers were probably not breaking the law. There is a different standard of justice applied to them.
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this is part of the problem. Here in Germany when cops do something criminal - then they will be punished TWICE - because they did violate the normal civic criminal laws (StGB) AND the police laws. (the same logic actually applies to soldiers here as well).

Thing is a police officer has sworn an oath - which he would violate by engaging in criminality. Furthermore, because they work on behalf of the state it's their duty to HELP - and not be part of the problem.

Secondly, our law of self-defence is clear, and there are even some laws which FORCES civil courage. It has to do with the severity of the crime - if it's a capital crime (like rape, attempted murder, or treason ) then a witness (or bystander) HAS to act - HAS to help the victim.
If the bystander does not help - it's considered a crime as well.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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After 2020, there will be more meetings...
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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Kassiopeija said:
this is part of the problem. Here in Germany when cops do something criminal - then they will be punished TWICE - because they did violate the normal civic criminal laws (StGB) AND the police laws. (the same logic actually applies to soldiers here as well).

Thing is a police officer has sworn an oath - which he would violate by engaging in criminality. Furthermore, because they work on behalf of the state it's their duty to HELP - and not be part of the problem.

Secondly, our law of self-defence is clear, and there are even some laws which FORCES civil courage. It has to do with the severity of the crime - if it's a capital crime (like rape, attempted murder, or treason ) then a witness (or bystander) HAS to act - HAS to help the victim.
If the bystander does not help - it's considered a crime as well.
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I know, it's not exactly rocket science, is it? Instead of holding police to a higher standard, they are held to a lower one.

For cops who kill, special Supreme Court protection
The U.S. high court’s continual refinement of an obscure legal doctrine has made it harder to hold police accountable when accused of using excessive force.

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For cops who kill, special Supreme Court protection

The U.S. high court's continual refinement of an obscure doctrine called qualified immunity has made it harder to hold police liable for excessive force.
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Staff at the local hospital in tiny Madill, Oklahoma, called the police in the early evening of March 24, 2011, for help giving Johnny Leija an injection to calm him. Security cameras captured much of the ensuing encounter.

The officers, after shooting Leija with a stun gun, follow him down a corridor, shock him again, and wrestle him to the floor. One officer then straddles Leija’s back, trying to handcuff him as the others struggle to pull back his arms. They get one handcuff on. Leija goes limp. The officers step back. Hospital staff drop to Leija’s side and begin a futile effort to resuscitate him.

The Oklahoma Chief Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Leija, his lungs already compromised by pneumonia, was starved for oxygen in his struggle with the police and died from “respiratory insufficiency.”

We keep trying to "reform" our police and NOTHING changes. So, we'll take the money away. They aren't prepared to deal with most of the reasons why people call the police in the first place.
 
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