I can't breathe Please

[Budley Doright]

They should no longer be called officers, for they have failed to police and regulate themselves as other professions do. An officer is a gentleman and they have failed in this too, back to the ranks, harsh discipline and tight control. They've earned the dog collar and leash by acting like animals, now they must wear it

Curious, why did you quote me regarding the officer thing?

 

[Budley Doright]

It's good to let them know how radical things can get if citizens are pissed enough, they serve us.

Did you get out for any marches?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Did you get out for any marches?

There was one in Sydney I heard about through the grapevine later, the nearest major regular protests are in Halifax, nearly 300 miles up the road. An old man in the midst of a crowd of asymptomatic young folks is not such a great idea. A well organised social distanced protest in the sunshine is my speed, the streets right now are something for the young, for the most part and they should be mindful of their families too. The good thing about these protests in the states at least, is it gets young people pumped and motivated to vote, they won't vote unless they are pumped first and they are pumped now. Meaningful change or any change at all will not come in the states until there is a change in government.

We've been dealing with policing issues quietly over the past decade, these issues are being addressed in Canada much more effectively than in the states, though we've had and continue to have big problems with city forces. The mounties are not as professional as they once were, they were military officers too you know, until a few years ago. It's hard to find high quality young people who want to live in the middle of nowhere and move around like gypsies, when their spouses have careers of their own.

 

[topcat]

Beau has a solution. Of course, Individual 1 won't act on it, but the next president could. It would be a positive step toward healing.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Beau has a solution. Of course, Individual 1 won't act on it, but the next president could. It would be a positive step toward healing.

This is how ideas, good and bad spread, I like this idea, it's a quick fix, but much more is required, changes in law and accountability too. Someone might see Beau's idea and run with it, if they have or can recruit someone with money and influence, then they might be able to twist Joe's arm a bit and get him to "sign zee paper old man"! If the black leadership hears about this idea, thinks about it for a spell and likes it, it's as good as done, might not be as harsh as Beau's original idea, but it would still work, especially the database of bad cops.

That's the power and danger of idea's and I've spouted some dangerous ones (and stupid ones too ) here, if yer a bad cop or a Trumper that is.

 

[Rob Roy]

It's good to let them know how radical things can get if citizens are pissed enough, they serve us.

No, they don't. There are Supreme Court rulings that say cops have no duty to protect people. Sometimes they do protect people, but their primary purpose is to enforce laws and aid in revenue collection.

If they did serve us, people would have the option of declining their service and/or seeking alternatives. If you don't go to McDonalds, but instead eat at Burger King and you're forced to pay McDonalds anyway, would you also thank the stiffs at McDonalds for serving you?

 

[Budley Doright]

There was one in Sydney I heard about through the grapevine later, the nearest major regular protests are in Halifax, nearly 300 miles up the road. An old man in the midst of a crowd of asymptomatic young folks is not such a great idea. A well organised social distanced protest in the sunshine is my speed, the streets right now are something for the young, for the most part and they should be mindful of their families too. The good thing about these protests in the states at least, is it gets young people pumped and motivated to vote, they won't vote unless they are pumped first and they are pumped now. Meaningful change or any change at all will not come in the states until there is a change in government.

We've been dealing with policing issues quietly over the past decade, these issues are being addressed in Canada much more effectively than in the states, though we've had and continue to have big problems with city forces. The mounties are not as professional as they once were, they were military officers too you know, until a few years ago. It's hard to find high quality young people who want to live in the middle of nowhere and move around like gypsies, when their spouses have careers of their own.

I went last night to the vigil in Kingston. First time in my life I’ve been to anything like it...... found it very moving.

 

[Budley Doright]

SANTA CRUZ COUNTY
Deputy Killed in Santa Cruz County Ambush, Suspect is an Air Force Sergeant
“He will be remembered as a hero who devoted his life to protecting the community and as a loving husband and father,” Newsom said in a statement.
By Martha Mendoza • Published 5 hours ago • Updated 16 seconds ago

A Northern California sheriff’s deputy was killed and two law enforcement officers wounded Saturday when they were ambushed with gunfire and explosives while pursuing a suspect, authorities said.
The U.S. Air Force confirmed Sunday that the suspect was an active duty sergeant stationed at Travis Air Force Base.
Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller, 38, was shot and killed in Ben Lomond, an unincorporated area near Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Jim Hart said. A second deputy was injured, and a third officer from the California Highway Patrol was shot in his hand, Hart said.


Gutzwiller “was a beloved figure here at the sheriff’s office,” the sheriff said.
“Damon showed up today to do his job, to keep this community safe, and his life was taken needlessly,” a visibly shaken Hart said.
The suspect, Steven Carrillo, 32, was shot during his arrest and was being treated at the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries, Hart said. The Sheriff’s Department and the FBI are investigating.

Steven Carrillo, age 32 of Ben Lomond. [Photo: Santa Cruz Sheriff's Office]
A Travis Air Force Base spokesman confirmed Sunday that Carrillo had arrived at Travis Air Force Base in June 2018 and was a member of the 60th Security Forces Squadron. Carrillo’s wife Monika Leigh Scott Carrillo, who was also in the Air Force, was found dead in an off-base hotel in May 2018 while she was stationed in South Carolina. She was 30. Her death was investigated by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office, in coordination with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and ruled a suicide, according to the Air Force.
On Saturday in Santa Cruz County, deputies responded to a 911 call around 1:30 p.m. about a suspicious van. The caller said there were guns and bomb-making devices inside, Hart said.
When deputies arrived, the van pulled away and the deputies followed. The van went down a driveway at Carrillo’s home and the deputies were ambushed by gunfire and explosives after getting out of their vehicle.
Gutzwiller was wounded and later died at a hospital. Another deputy was wounded by gunfire or shrapnel and struck by a vehicle as the suspect fled.
Carrillo attempted to carjack a vehicle and was wounded while being arrested.
Hart said Carrillo was taken to the hospital for treatment and would be charged with first-degree murder.
Gov. Gavin Newsom extended condolences to Gutzwiller’s family and ordered flags at the Capitol to be flown at half-staff in honor of the slain deputy.
“He will be remembered as a hero who devoted his life to protecting the community and as a loving husband and father,” Newsom said in a statement.
The shooting shocked Ben Lomond, a town of about 6,000 people tucked up in the Santa Cruz mountains.
Resident Kathy Crocker brought a bouquet to the sheriff’s office as Hart gave a news conference about the shootings.
“It just breaks my heart that this keeps happening,” she said, as teary-eyed deputies entered the building.

As shitty as that is, every needless death is a tragedy, why post that in this thread?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

SANTA CRUZ COUNTY
Deputy Killed in Santa Cruz County Ambush, Suspect is an Air Force Sergeant
“He will be remembered as a hero who devoted his life to protecting the community and as a loving husband and father,” Newsom said in a statement.
By Martha Mendoza • Published 5 hours ago • Updated 16 seconds ago

A Northern California sheriff’s deputy was killed and two law enforcement officers wounded Saturday when they were ambushed with gunfire and explosives while pursuing a suspect, authorities said.
The U.S. Air Force confirmed Sunday that the suspect was an active duty sergeant stationed at Travis Air Force Base.
Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller, 38, was shot and killed in Ben Lomond, an unincorporated area near Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Jim Hart said. A second deputy was injured, and a third officer from the California Highway Patrol was shot in his hand, Hart said.


Gutzwiller “was a beloved figure here at the sheriff’s office,” the sheriff said.
“Damon showed up today to do his job, to keep this community safe, and his life was taken needlessly,” a visibly shaken Hart said.
The suspect, Steven Carrillo, 32, was shot during his arrest and was being treated at the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries, Hart said. The Sheriff’s Department and the FBI are investigating.

Steven Carrillo, age 32 of Ben Lomond. [Photo: Santa Cruz Sheriff's Office]
A Travis Air Force Base spokesman confirmed Sunday that Carrillo had arrived at Travis Air Force Base in June 2018 and was a member of the 60th Security Forces Squadron. Carrillo’s wife Monika Leigh Scott Carrillo, who was also in the Air Force, was found dead in an off-base hotel in May 2018 while she was stationed in South Carolina. She was 30. Her death was investigated by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office, in coordination with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and ruled a suicide, according to the Air Force.
On Saturday in Santa Cruz County, deputies responded to a 911 call around 1:30 p.m. about a suspicious van. The caller said there were guns and bomb-making devices inside, Hart said.
When deputies arrived, the van pulled away and the deputies followed. The van went down a driveway at Carrillo’s home and the deputies were ambushed by gunfire and explosives after getting out of their vehicle.
Gutzwiller was wounded and later died at a hospital. Another deputy was wounded by gunfire or shrapnel and struck by a vehicle as the suspect fled.
Carrillo attempted to carjack a vehicle and was wounded while being arrested.
Hart said Carrillo was taken to the hospital for treatment and would be charged with first-degree murder.
Gov. Gavin Newsom extended condolences to Gutzwiller’s family and ordered flags at the Capitol to be flown at half-staff in honor of the slain deputy.
“He will be remembered as a hero who devoted his life to protecting the community and as a loving husband and father,” Newsom said in a statement.
The shooting shocked Ben Lomond, a town of about 6,000 people tucked up in the Santa Cruz mountains.
Resident Kathy Crocker brought a bouquet to the sheriff’s office as Hart gave a news conference about the shootings.
“It just breaks my heart that this keeps happening,” she said, as teary-eyed deputies entered the building.

Looks like he was expecting the cops to arrive for the murder of his wife, I have no doubt he murdered her and might have got away with it. But he knew what he did and expected the worst, his preparations for it, brought the law to his attention. Someone called the cops on this guy, people don't randomly peek into vans parked by the road, someone looking for his ass might though, maybe she had relatives, most people do, friends too.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

As shitty as that is, every needless death is a tragedy, why post that in this thread?

Wrong thread

 

[UncleBuck]

No, they don't. There are Supreme Court rulings that say cops have no duty to protect people. Sometimes they do protect people, but their primary purpose is to enforce laws and aid in revenue collection.

If they did serve us, people would have the option of declining their service and/or seeking alternatives. If you don't go to McDonalds, but instead eat at Burger King and you're forced to pay McDonalds anyway, would you also thank the stiffs at McDonalds for serving you?

I have to pay for social assistance to McDonald’s workers whether I eat there or not, just like I have to pay for your food stamps too, mrs. unemployable convict

 

[Kassiopeija]

this is unbelievable. this was the works of someone that has done this before, this is either a serial murderer or a serial rapist gone murderer. alone the useage of acids to destroy DNA evidence speaks of pre-planning. but you CANNOT rape a woman and leave no DNA trace. Why didn't they simply search for it? ah, it's "suicide".

So the person who ruled this a "suicide" effectively prevented DNA samples to be taken & bringing a cruel murderer to justice. WTF

 

[Rob Roy]

I have to pay for social assistance to McDonald’s workers whether I eat there or not, just like I have to pay for your food stamps too, mrs. unemployable convict

If you "have to" pay for something, but you don't want that something, didn't ask for that something and aren't using that something...what's going on, Slave?

 

[Kassiopeija]

If you "have to" pay for something, but you don't want that something, didn't ask for that something and aren't using that something...what's going on, Slave?

it's a concept called "social solidarity" (in US terms "Socialism" lol) - it's something actually benefitting the weak or poor.

Now if you say... "I dont want to pay" but still you benefit from the stuff the land offers to you (I guess you didn't pave your own roads or build the electricity lines etc pp)

 

[Rob Roy]

it's a concept called "social solidarity" (in US terms "Socialism" lol) - it's something actually benefitting the weak or poor.

Now if you say... "I dont want to pay" but still you benefit from the stuff the land offers to you (I guess you didn't pave your own roads or build the electricity lines etc pp)

No, it's something forcible, called "taxation" or "theft", but I'm repeating myself. Rape is forcible and benefits the poor rapists or guys whose game is too weak they can't get laid. Only looking at the desired outcome without considering the means to achieve it, is not the best way for humans to relate with each other.

I didn't pave MY road and I make my own electricity. If you made electricity and we agreed to transact, we might both benefit, if we don't agree to transact, I shouldn't take your electricity without paying and you shouldn't force me to pay for it, if I don't use it.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

No, it's something forcible, called "taxation" or "theft"

Not many voluntarily pay taxes Rob, sometimes people need to be forced to do the right thing and people know it and even approve of it in elections. There is an old concept called the common wealth, our social and community sphere if you will, a place for roads, schools, prisons and other things that add to the public good. Everybody on the planet lives this way and always has for as long as there has been civilization, it's the natural way for humans to live, but Rob, you are a monkey, not a human remember?
That's why you are not allowed to seduce children into sexual relations for instance, some people can't figure it out on their own.

 

[Rob Roy]

sometimes people need to be forced to do the right thing and people know it and even approve of it in elections.

You're wrong though, if "doing the right thing" is to force somebody to pay for that which they don't want and don't use.

For example, I will send you a bill for "one million dollars" for my esteemed counseling services, you never asked for it or agreed to it, should you pay ?

Can I obligate you, without an agreement between us ? Do I own you?

 

[Kassiopeija]

"one million dollars" for my esteemed counseling services

lol that would surely violate whatever exuberance-laws you got over there... sure sure, do form a state, and invite members in, thuen you can be king and do whatever you want... but who will join? XD

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

You're wrong though, if "doing the right thing" is to force somebody to pay for that which they don't want and don't use.

For example, I will send you a bill for "one million dollars" for my esteemed counseling services, you never asked for it or agreed to it, should you pay ?

Can I obligate you, without an agreement between us ? Do I own you?

Communities make the rules, not individuals and some rules like taxes and laws are mandatory, like death itself. Now stop waste your time and everybody elses with this illogical bullshit and meaningless questions. Just because the language is so structured that stupid questions can be asked, does not mean those questions have any inherent meaning, word salad.

 

[Rob Roy]

lol that would surely violate whatever exuberance-laws you got over there... sure sure, do form a state, and invite members in, thuen you can be king and do whatever you want... but who will join? XD

So you agree with me that before payment is demanded, there should be an explicit agreement ?

Can you show me this "social contract" you are alluding to so we can examine the signatures ?