I can't breathe Please

[hanimmal]

https://www.facebook.com/100017197143198/posts/666075827308983

I know it is not the point, but I do find it somewhat good that this guy did not end up getting slammed around while in cuffs, I was expecting the worst.

The videos speaks for themselves. If it weren’t for Facebook and other social media these situations would go unseen. I think Facebook is a very reliable source of information so long as you fact check what you’re looking at. A lot of these high power cops have been fired as a result of a FB video or racist/violent post.

https://www.facebook.com/100007686071086/posts/2589248524674658

Facebook is impossible to fact check everything you get in your feed. Also if you don't know everyone in your friendliest from actually meeting them in real life, how do you know they are not selectively feeding you a narrative specifically designed to trick you into believing them more easily.

No question that there are many examples of criminals and thugs in the police, it has attracted them for years. But by highlighting them this way, it is about the same as the highlighting of only the worst of things everything else gets drowned out and it becomes emotional.

And emotions are hackable.

Just apply a steady amount of the correct stimulus and it is amazing what we will convince ourselves of.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

I live this shit. I’ve been through this system. Experienced it myself over and over again. I don’t need to be “tricked” into believing the stuff I have experienced myself, ok? I was locked up for 10 months looking at 56 to life for a crime I didn’t commit. I’ve been charge with battery on a peace officer because they had to make up a charge after slamming me and shoving my face on the hot pavement. No narrative needed.

 

[Fogdog]

The videos speaks for themselves. If it weren’t for Facebook and other social media these situations would go unseen. I think Facebook is a very reliable source of information so long as you fact check what you’re looking at. A lot of these high power cops have been fired as a result of a FB video or racist/violent post.

https://www.facebook.com/100007686071086/posts/2589248524674658

Actually there is plenty of data that shows Facebook has been overrun by right wing propagandists. They even sold information to Cambridge Analytica to provide information to help them target its users. This is all old information. Zuckerberg makes money from ads on his site and he benefits from their traffic, which by some estimates represented almost half of their ad revenue in 2016. Much more now.

 

[hanimmal]

I live this shit. I’ve been through this system. Experienced it myself over and over again. I don’t need to be “tricked” into believing the stuff I have experienced myself, ok? I was locked up for 10 months looking at 56 to life for a crime I didn’t commit. I’ve been charge with battery on a peace officer because they had to make up a charge after slamming me and shoving my face on the hot pavement. No narrative needed.

I dont dispute that at all, I know the system is filled with the people that are attracted to 'dominating' others.

But it doesn't change the fact that this is also being used to create chaos online by outside forces that do not have any of our interests in mind as they spread the hate to cause violence.

 

[Fogdog]

I live this shit. I’ve been through this system. Experienced it myself over and over again. I don’t need to be “tricked” into believing the stuff I have experienced myself, ok? I was locked up for 10 months looking at 56 to life for a crime I didn’t commit. I’ve been charge with battery on a peace officer because they had to make up a charge after slamming me and shoving my face on the hot pavement. No narrative needed.

Dude, we agree on the concern that a not guilty verdict will result in much worse violence when it happens. I don't doubt it will. I am also concerned that the officer or officers who killed Floyd knew it and maybe it was a deliberate provocation. They know they will not be convicted. So, I'm even willing to agree there could be a conspiracy to incite riots ahead of the election.

But Facebook is crap as a source of information.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

Actually there is plenty of data that shows Facebook has been overrun by right wing propagandists. They even sold information to Cambridge Analytica to provide information to help them target its users. This is all old information. Zuckerberg makes money from ads on his site and he benefits from their traffic, which by some estimates represented almost half of their ad revenue in 2016. Much more now.

What does that have to do with a video proof of police brutality though? It’s on Instagram and twitter too. Does Zuckerberg run those too?

 

[FresnoFarmer]

I dont dispute that at all, I know the system is filled with the people that are attracted to 'dominating' others.

But it doesn't change the fact that this is also being used to create chaos online by outside forces that do not have any of our interests in mind as they spread the hate to cause violence.

Where’s the evidence of this? Sounds like a lot of hearsay.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

Zuckerberg isn’t forcing people to post these videos concerning police brutality. People upload them on their own. I don’t see how far right can be controlling people posting a video that they recorded themselves?

 

[Fogdog]

What does that have to do with a video proof of police brutality though? It’s on Instagram and twitter too. Does Zuckerberg run those too?

200 million twitter posts about Coronavirus. Half of them were generated by Russian bots.
Facebook posts 50% propaganda.
I don't even know what's going on in Instagram but the two top social media sites are contaminated in a big way so I don't doubt Instagram is too.

Social media corporations don't even need to be involved in a conspiracy to enable that. Their share-holders make money from it, and money doesn't have a conscience or an agenda.

Plenty of good, facts based reporting is available to show Floyd's murder was deliberate. We don't need to go to the crappy sites in order to draw that conclusion.

Why are you defending Zuckerberg?

 

[Fogdog]

Zuckerberg isn’t forcing people to post these videos concerning police brutality. People upload them on their own. I don’t see how far right can be controlling people posting a video that they recorded themselves?

About half of the posts in Facebook are fake.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

200 million twitter posts about Coronavirus. Half of them were generated by Russian bots.
Facebook posts 50% propaganda.
I don't even know what's going on in Instagram but the two top social media sites are contaminated in a big way so I don't doubt Instagram is too.

Social media corporations don't even need to be involved in a conspiracy to enable that. Their share-holders make money from it, and money doesn't have a conscience or an agenda.

Plenty of good, facts based reporting is available to show Floyd's murder was deliberate. We don't need to go to the crappy sites in order to draw that conclusion.

Why are you defending Zuckerberg?

Fuck Zuckerberg. I’m just saying. Seems like your downplaying the videos of police brutality being put out as far right propaganda. When that’s not the case. Sure there is a lot of fake videos. I only post real videos you can trace back to their local news.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

The crappy sites are great platform to put these videos out on because there is transparency with no agenda when a person posts a video of police brutality that they witnessed first hand. If somebody were to go to the mainstream media with the same video it may never be seen or misconstrued in some way.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

Is this far right propaganda?

https://www.facebook.com/100007686071086/posts/2589648391301338

 

[Fogdog]

Fuck Zuckerberg. I’m just saying. Seems like your downplaying the videos of police brutality being put out as far right propaganda. When that’s not the case. Sure there is a lot of fake videos. I only post real videos you can trace back to their local news.

You don't need to cite a contaminated source to convince me that police brutality is being visited upon the people of the US, especially people of color. Use Facebook as a means to connect to friends and family. It's crap for information.

I don't know who that guy was who posted those vids. I don't know why a wrestler(?) would make a reliable source and I most definitely know that propaganda is most often half true and completely biased. I also know that those videos, while they were probably accurate did not inform, they inflamed emotions. Propaganda often does that because anger leaves a lasting impression that can be used to manipulate. Propaganda is used to influence, not inform.

So, I just was pointing out that your source is suspect even though I agree with you on this subject.

 

[Fogdog]

Is this far right propaganda?

https://www.facebook.com/100007686071086/posts/2589648391301338

I don't watch most videos that people here post because videos are terrible sources of information. Sometimes they are posted for entertainment. I watch those.

 

[Fogdog]

The crappy sites are great platform to put these videos out on because there is transparency with no agenda when a person posts a video of police brutality that they witnessed first hand. If somebody were to go to the mainstream media with the same video it may never be seen or misconstrued in some way.

Videos from vetted and reliable sources are worthwhile. This means about 99% of the crap you see online purporting to inform does not.

 

[hanimmal]

Where’s the evidence of this? Sounds like a lot of hearsay.

Several reports (three are linked in my sig), hearings of the intelligence agencies, a strong understanding of online trolling (courtesy of over a decade of being on this website, a couple degrees in mathematics, economics, and a couple years pursuing a Phd in statistics where I concentrated on data analysis. I left the program in 2015 to start a farm on my dads property, which by the time the elections came around in 2016 we were at each others throats so much that I had to step away from my work.

In 2012 Target got outed for sending pregnancy item coupons to a little girl, when her dad flipped out, it turned out she was pregnant and nobody knew, but data analysis teased it out from her spending habits and outed her.

In 2013 Snowden flew to Russia with the NSA data files, by late 2013 Russia was activating spies to attack our democracy.

This shit is real and extremely organized. Everything you have ever done online is linked to your profile and they are spamming you with propaganda to do one of several options to get you to not vote if they can't get you to vote for Trump.

Zuckerberg isn’t forcing people to post these videos concerning police brutality. People upload them on their own. I don’t see how far right can be controlling people posting a video that they recorded themselves?

By data mining the most explicit moments and having their tens/hundreds of thousands of fake accounts spam the internet forums with them to increase their visibility and manufacture their going viral.

The crappy sites are great platform to put these videos out on because there is transparency with no agenda. If somebody were to go to the mainstream media with the same video it may never be seen or misconstrued in some way.

The news are held liable if they promote lies in a court of law. Trolls just melt away, and if they are not in America there is next to nothing to be done since Trump is actively helping it.

200 million twitter posts about Coronavirus. Half of them were generated by Russian bots.
Facebook posts 50% propaganda.
I don't even know what's going on in Instagram but the two top social media sites are contaminated in a big way so I don't doubt Instagram is too.

Social media corporations don't even need to be involved in a conspiracy to enable that. Their share-holders make money from it, and money doesn't have a conscience or an agenda.

Plenty of good, facts based reporting is available to show Floyd's murder was deliberate. We don't need to go to the crappy sites in order to draw that conclusion.

Why are you defending Zuckerberg?

Context.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

It informs of what is going on in the present day. Without videos how would we know what these officers are doing? Just saying. To say that the videos aren’t reliable just because they aren’t from a source that you consider reliable doesn’t mean the video is fake.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

White nationalist domestic terrorism is a real problem in the United States. But that doesn’t mean we should be turning a blind eye to the videos posted by legimately concerned citizens.

 

[Fogdog]

@FresnoFarmer , can we just agree to agree on the subject of Floyd's murder and what will happen if those cops get off scott free?

Or do we also have to watch inflammatory propaganda videos and get all angry about it too?