2020 MASSACHUSETTS outdoor grow Thread!

dunphy

dunphy

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I def hear you about trimming... it loses its luster after about 15 minutes... Im hopefully dreading the trimming this year... Just took a few updated pictures from today, Wish I had a better head start on my stuff, I wasnt planning on putting the bag seeds out in pots but it is what it is, getting seeds sucked this year. Ive got this wind screen privacy fence going up, this is the north wall and my main concern as theres an retirement apartment complex behind the fence so mainly want to hide it from there, as well as take care of the legal issues, still have yet to close it in. Im also waiting on some steel cable to make a zipline "clothesline" for late season rain cover and/or light dep depending on what I decide.... I could also setup the hoop house Ive got but Id like to avoid that because of lack of good ventilation for it and I think the hoops (2x 10ft pvc 1/2") will be too small for these plants by then... With the cable I can get good side flow if needed, the ends will be open, and can get almost as much height as needed. Just have to have guy wires or tie downs to prevent it from sailing away... Will figure it out as we go...

Here are the pictures: Sorry for quality, they're taken on a shitty cell phone cam. Enjoy the season everyone.

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Northeast_maniac

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dunphy said:
She looks pretty happy to me., What size pot is that, and did you fill it with individual 1.5L bags?
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I’m doing 45 gallon bags, I know next year I will jump to 100 gallon but I have to tame this insanity. I think it took about five bags to fill each 45 Gallon pot. I’ve only taken three clones, I’m doing jack herer and train wreck this year
 
dunphy

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Northeast_maniac said:
They look great man, they are about the same size as mine , you topped them all? I topped every plant but 1, just to see the difference.
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Funny I was going to ask this myself to the thread.... This year is the first time I will be NOT be topping the majority of my outdoor plants, I've done it every time since I started growing but started questioning how much they slow down after a heavy defoliation/topping.... I started defoliating less or at least one big one if airflow is needed... Then this year I've topped one of my main 6 plants, and am leaving the rest. I still plan on tying/LST them to keep things spread out and bushy, help fill in my cages, But Ive started just bending toward the north and letting the lowers become tops "naturally". Im curious to hear peoples opinions on topping for outdoors, no size restrictions and no support issues. Do you find they slow down a day or two sometimes more after topping? Is that worth it when topping 10-20x a season sometimes?
I may still decide to once they get bigger, but I also wanted to avoid topping them, I always train them a little too hard, and end up splitting stems in the Y or V notch of the first top usually... Im trying to avoid any slow downs and high stress, at least until the end.

Thoughts anyone?
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

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I'm thinking about moving mine outside tomorrow...is there any reason I should wait any longer? I've got two photos that have been going since late March, that are about 3 feet tall, and two autos that are only about 3 weeks old. These are the first autos I've grown...is it normal for them to start flowering when they are this small? I did start it in a smaller pot (1.5gal), but plan on gently transplanting it into a raised bed outside, and the breeder told me that shouldn't be a problem as long as I carefully transplant it.
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dsmer

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I'm thinking about moving mine outside tomorrow...is there any reason I should wait any longer? I've got two photos that have been going since late March, that are about 3 feet tall, and two autos that are only about 3 weeks old. These are the first autos I've grown...is it normal for them to start flowering when they are this small? I did start it in a smaller pot (1.5gal), but plan on gently transplanting it into a raised bed outside, and the breeder told me that shouldn't be a problem as long as I carefully transplant it.
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Autos will flower after a certain amount of time regardless of size or conditions. Usually after 3-4 weeks of planting from the little experience I have from them. Mine are 4 weeks old and starting to flower now. Unfortunately you probably won’t yield much from her being that small but will finish quickly
 
greg nr

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I'm thinking about moving mine outside tomorrow...is there any reason I should wait any longer? I've got two photos that have been going since late March, that are about 3 feet tall, and two autos that are only about 3 weeks old. These are the first autos I've grown...is it normal for them to start flowering when they are this small? I did start it in a smaller pot (1.5gal), but plan on gently transplanting it into a raised bed outside, and the breeder told me that shouldn't be a problem as long as I carefully transplant it.
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No weather reason. ;)

The last frost is but a memory now (knock on wood), and the days are 15 hours long and rising. So far, it hasn't even been wet.

Mine have been out for 2 weeks. No issues yet.


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TreeFarmerCharlie

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dsmer said:
Unfortunately you probably won’t yield much from her being that small but will finish quickly
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Yeah, that's what I figured. That's one of the reasons I want to get them outside tomorrow. I want the autos to get as much sun as they can so they can take off.

greg nr said:
No weather reason. ;)

The last frost is but a memory now (knock on wood), and the days are 15 hours long and rising. So far, it hasn't even been wet.

Mine have been out for 2 weeks. No issues yet.
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Thanks for the info! I was more concerned about the colder weather we've had slowing down the growth of the autos I have that already seem stunted. It looks like it's going to be nice most of the week though so I've just going to get them outside tomorrow so I can free up my smaller veg tent.
 
greg nr

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
Yeah, that's what I figured. That's one of the reasons I want to get them outside tomorrow. I want the autos to get as much sun as they can so they can take off.


Thanks for the info! I was more concerned about the colder weather we've had slowing down the growth of the autos I have that already seem stunted. It looks like it's going to be nice most of the week though so I've just going to get them outside tomorrow so I can free up my smaller veg tent.
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Yeah, it's consistently above 50 at night now, and days are in the upper 70's to mid 80's. Although I did turn on my electric blanket last night after showering and crawling into bed with a good dose of tincture in my diet cola.. ;)

Don't know crap about auto's though. I've never tried to grow one. Though it does seem like a good idea for outdoors. You don't have to wait for sept for flower and race to the finish ahead of frost in october..... Does it work well up here?
 
stealthfader508

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dunphy said:
Funny I was going to ask this myself to the thread.... This year is the first time I will be NOT be topping the majority of my outdoor plants, I've done it every time since I started growing but started questioning how much they slow down after a heavy defoliation/topping.... I started defoliating less or at least one big one if airflow is needed... Then this year I've topped one of my main 6 plants, and am leaving the rest. I still plan on tying/LST them to keep things spread out and bushy, help fill in my cages, But Ive started just bending toward the north and letting the lowers become tops "naturally". Im curious to hear peoples opinions on topping for outdoors, no size restrictions and no support issues. Do you find they slow down a day or two sometimes more after topping? Is that worth it when topping 10-20x a season sometimes?
I may still decide to once they get bigger, but I also wanted to avoid topping them, I always train them a little too hard, and end up splitting stems in the Y or V notch of the first top usually... Im trying to avoid any slow downs and high stress, at least until the end.

Thoughts anyone?
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I treat each plant differently based on it's tendencies .. I have a few stretchy types, those are all done being topped and most are either 16 or 32 tops by now ... I strip all nodes below these main tops, but now I won't touch them at all, just let them grow out all tops and nodes from this point forward... the only thing I'll do now is supercrop (pinch) a limb if it's growing faster than the others to keep an even canopy... but I try to never pinch above where these main tops are now ... I do that because if I pinch above where I'm letting the nodes grow they will start stretching

I do have a few bushier plants and they're all topped to several mains as well, but I haven't stripped as many of the lower nodes on those... for the most part I'm done topping them, and I'll just let them grow how they want from here ... with a little pinching every now and then to keep things as even as possible up top.

Last year I did quite a bit of LST and defoliating on my outdoors.... which for me was a mistake ... I have plenty of room for them to grow in every direction ... I found that with LST all I was doing was unnecessarily spreading the plant out and also getting splits in the v-notches... to me LST outdoors looks unnatural ...I find that big outdoor plants with room to spread will find their own path to the sun and don't need my help ... I also defoliated a lot last year and I regret that ... I may take a leaf every now and then if it's clearly shading a top below it, but try to leave every single leaf until it yellows and dies off on it's own
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

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greg nr said:
Don't know crap about auto's though. I've never tried to grow one. Though it does seem like a good idea for outdoors. You don't have to wait for sept for flower and race to the finish ahead of frost in october..... Does it work well up here?
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I would assume autos would be good for outdoor grows out here, but this is my first time growing autos. I figured I'd try some this year since it was so wet and cold toward the end of the season last year.
 
dunphy

dunphy

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stealthfader508 said:
I treat each plant differently based on it's tendencies .. I have a few stretchy types, those are all done being topped and most are either 16 or 32 tops by now ... I strip all nodes below these main tops, but now I won't touch them at all, just let them grow out all tops and nodes from this point forward... the only thing I'll do now is supercrop (pinch) a limb if it's growing faster than the others to keep an even canopy... but I try to never pinch above where these main tops are now ... I do that because if I pinch above where I'm letting the nodes grow they will start stretching

I do have a few bushier plants and they're all topped to several mains as well, but I haven't stripped as many of the lower nodes on those... for the most part I'm done topping them, and I'll just let them grow how they want from here ... with a little pinching every now and then to keep things as even as possible up top.

Last year I did quite a bit of LST and defoliating on my outdoors.... which for me was a mistake ... I have plenty of room for them to grow in every direction ... I found that with LST all I was doing was unnecessarily spreading the plant out and also getting splits in the v-notches... to me LST outdoors looks unnatural ...I find that big outdoor plants with room to spread will find their own path to the sun and don't need my help ... I also defoliated a lot last year and I regret that ... I may take a leaf every now and then if it's clearly shading a top below it, but try to leave every single leaf until it yellows and dies off on it's own
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I hear ya, Im trying to just set the environment perfectly, and be as hands off as possible, When I LST outdoors, its definitely not like indoor where everything is tied every direction, usually try to aim the main toward the north just helps get those lowers quicker than waiting for the plant to move, For the most part, once they get so big its hard to get to the tops if tall and you just have to rely on the nets and preparation I've done. But for the most part Ive found myself over the years moving toward organic to let the microbes do what they do naturally, and just notice its becoming more and more hands off... Very few select techniques to do, and even those trying to limit them. Its taken years of experimenting and tinkering, trying all types of growing, I love this plant though, Ive grown experiments just on my desk to see reactions to conditions and stuff for years, But just something I've noticed is the hands off approach has been best... Set it up, and get out of the way, keep an eye on things but just have the patience and know what to look for to make sure things are going smooth, catch any problems early on and enjoy your own grown.
 
Northeast_maniac

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I topped my very early thinking the plants would have time to recover, this is my first time cropping, it’s funny you are doing the complete opposite! I cropped all but one plant. I am curious to see if it helps or not, a am also LST them now that I put them in the 45 gallon pots. I also worry about breaking the branches and destroying half my plant, but who know!
 
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