Lockdowns don't work.

rkymtnman

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when the health care system gets overwhelmed, the economy has none chance.....were doomed. We must keep the health care system functioning.....wash your hands, stay home, save lives
a Doc on the eastern plains of CO made a facebook post: i am the one doctor here, i cover 1800 sq miles, i have one ICU bed and one ventilator. if i get 5 patients in bad shape, 4 will die. how do i choose which 4?

kinda sad.
 

doublejj

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GOP congressman says he puts saving American 'way of life' above saving lives from the coronavirus
Rep. Trey Hollingsworth, R-Ind., told an Indiana radio station Tuesday that it's time for policymakers to "put on their big-girl and big-boy pants" and decide between the "lesser of two evils": Do we try to save more lives or our livelihood? Restart the economy and kill more people or keep staying home and kill more jobs?

Vote republicans out....
 

rkymtnman

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GOP congressman says he puts saving American 'way of life' above saving lives from the coronavirus
Rep. Trey Hollingsworth, R-Ind., told an Indiana radio station Tuesday that it's time for policymakers to "put on their big-girl and big-boy pants" and decide between the "lesser of two evils": Do we try to save more lives or our livelihood? Restart the economy and kill more people or keep staying home and kill more jobs?

Vote republicans out....
That Carrier plant that moved to MX is helping the Mexican economy bigly.

Remove Republicans by any means necessary...
 

Fogdog

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I'm all for social distancing. What about those 7,468 New Yorkers in the last day? Should they be arrested now? They clearly broke the law and came into contact with fomites. Can you at least read the argument before you judge me? Pretty fucking please?
we should steal their cell phone data first.

I'm as interested in your phony argument as I am in counting tree rings to determine that an old tree is in fact old. Lockdowns work. I truly regret that this virus is so contagious that they are necessary. I've already adequately explained why social distancing in hot zones is necessary. I agree that places that are not affected by clusters of infected people don't require such draconian responses but only if containment strategies are in place.

Until containment strategies such as a system of widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation can be implemented, all we have is the proven effective social distancing aka lockdowns to prevent overwhelming the medical systems and making things worse. Maybe you should take your bogus theory to Durarte and convince him to let you eat your cheeseburger in peace. Or perhaps you could go to Mississippi, where they neither test or have orders in place for social distancing.

Too bad that South Dakota sneered at social distancing and now has become a hot zone for the virus.
 

Rob Roy

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GOP congressman says he puts saving American 'way of life' above saving lives from the coronavirus
Rep. Trey Hollingsworth, R-Ind., told an Indiana radio station Tuesday that it's time for policymakers to "put on their big-girl and big-boy pants" and decide between the "lesser of two evils": Do we try to save more lives or our livelihood? Restart the economy and kill more people or keep staying home and kill more jobs?

Vote republicans out....
Anytime he votes for a budget that funds the military, he isn't concerned about saving lives, or money for that matter.

Also, it shouldn't be assumed Government has a legal obligation to protect people.

The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."

In the cases DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the supreme court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent.
 
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Budley Doright

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GOP congressman says he puts saving American 'way of life' above saving lives from the coronavirus
Rep. Trey Hollingsworth, R-Ind., told an Indiana radio station Tuesday that it's time for policymakers to "put on their big-girl and big-boy pants" and decide between the "lesser of two evils": Do we try to save more lives or our livelihood? Restart the economy and kill more people or keep staying home and kill more jobs?

Vote republicans out....
I just listened to a radio talk show about the financial loss of a job versus a death and the death caused 1/3 more of a loss to the economy was the outcome I believe. It’s to bad it was even a point of discussion :(.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Lock them up.........they are super spreaders

Pediatrician says 80% of kids likely have coronavirus, but they're so asymptomatic you'd never know
Bleed them for us old farts! Bleed the children, used to be feed the children, but you'll get more blood if ya feed em... :D
 

abandonconflict

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all we have is the proven effective social distancing aka lockdowns
it's not flattening the curve enough to keep the apex below the baseline and if we keep trying to do it, we'll run into the sort of economic problems that will make it impossible to implement any other strategy

At least you have your privacy while deriding me though.
 
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abandonconflict

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NY recorded 11,525 new cases in the last 24 hours. I was right.

That is a very bad inflection on the logarithmic graph. It is the opposite of a flattening. The rate of growth increased by 16% from the day before yesterday to yesterday. It increased by an additional 56% since yesterday. This is horrifying. Now, if we're extremely lucky, there will only be 11,500 new cases per day if it flattens right now.

If another city sees an outbreak like New York, we'll be looking at an utter failure to keep the outbreak within the capacity of the healthcare system.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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NY recorded 11,525 new cases in the last 24 hours. I was right.

That is a very bad inflection on the logarithmic graph. It is the opposite of a flattening. The rate of growth increased by 16% from the day before yesterday to yesterday. It increased by an additional 56% since yesterday. This is horrifying. Now, if we're extremely lucky, there will only be 11,500 new cases per day if it flattens right now.

If another city sees an outbreak like New York, we'll be looking at an utter failure to keep the outbreak within the capacity of the healthcare system.
You are using the example of New York and ignoring the apparent success of other places like Germany or California. Now these are not the same thing as New York, they implemented lockdowns earlier, in the case of Germany they have massive testing. Germany is soon going to reopen its economy, but recently suffered a flare up. The best match for the data is the italian experience and they are further along the curve than New York, so Italy is the canary in the coal mine.

 

abandonconflict

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6,337 new cases on Tuesday
7,468 new cases yesterday
11,525 new cases today

"flatten the curve" is not a sufficient national strategy. It's not working. If we don't do more to expose infection chains and get the spread under control, at this rate, we'll exhaust healthcare resources and worse, crush the economy, risking worsening the situation in a myriad of ways long before there's a vaccine.

If you put water on the crops, they'll grow.
 
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