abandonconflict
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So you don't accept official stats unless they're trying to reassure you that the logarithmic curve is flattening...
Those deaths were reported and counted.
Lockdowns don't work.
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Those deaths were reported and counted.
abandonconflict
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Meanwhile, there were 7,468 new cases confirmed in NYC since yesterday, up from the 6,337 recorded in the previous 24 hour period. That's an increase of over 16%, logarithmically. That's not the inflection point we were hoping for was it?
Someone should tell those fomites they're illegal.
Someone should tell those fomites they're illegal.
DIY-HP-LED
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One more post during commercial break, I' let
Oh I accept the numbers alright, but not the spin you are putting on them, these are estimates, and show that they were undercounting the dead from covid-19, it was worse than they initially thought, is the only inference that can be drawn.
DIY-HP-LED
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Here chew on this for a spell, commercial is almost over.
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www.weforum.org
Here's an excerpt:
This is still a public health crisis.
To understand this, look again at the numbers from Worldometer. It starts with good news. By now, in most of Europe, the number of new cases seems to be flattening, as lockdowns have been in effect for two weeks or more. In Belgium the daily cases are around 1,500, in Switzerland about 1,000, and in Spain and Italy about 5,000. In the US, the curve is still going up.
Cumulative confirmed deaths from COVID-19.
Image: Reuters Graphics
But to understand why ending the lockdown isn't possible yet, you should look at some other numbers: namely, the "active" cases and the "severe or critical" cases. Those are the people in the hospitals needing intensive care, and their number is still increasing significantly. As long as they are going up, hospitals are over capacity, and we shouldn't expect measures to be relaxed: it would mean risking many more deaths.
You can drill down these numbers for any country to understand the situation better. For the United States, for example, the data tell us the worst is yet to come. You see a high number of cases for the US these days, around 15,000 to 20,000 new cases per day, but so far, relatively few dead and severely ill. But the epidemic there started in earnest much later, so you can expect that there will be an explosion of severely ill and dead in the next few weeks.
The first symptoms typically come after about seven days and, in the next week, people that have symptoms can become severely ill. So many of those infected in the past week will only become severely ill in the coming days, and need treatment. The idea that reopening their country by Easter is feasible, is even less realistic than in Europe. (And in Europe, I wouldn't expect a return to normal for months).
There is, however, hope and progress on the horizon. To get to a fundamental solution, we need first and foremost to test more people, and that's now increasingly happening all over the world".
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A virologist writes to his family to explain Europe's lockdown
"I know a lot of people are still saying that the public health reaction we're seeing is exaggerated, or that we must go back to work. But I don't agree at all."
www.weforum.org
This is still a public health crisis.
To understand this, look again at the numbers from Worldometer. It starts with good news. By now, in most of Europe, the number of new cases seems to be flattening, as lockdowns have been in effect for two weeks or more. In Belgium the daily cases are around 1,500, in Switzerland about 1,000, and in Spain and Italy about 5,000. In the US, the curve is still going up.
Cumulative confirmed deaths from COVID-19.
Image: Reuters Graphics
But to understand why ending the lockdown isn't possible yet, you should look at some other numbers: namely, the "active" cases and the "severe or critical" cases. Those are the people in the hospitals needing intensive care, and their number is still increasing significantly. As long as they are going up, hospitals are over capacity, and we shouldn't expect measures to be relaxed: it would mean risking many more deaths.
You can drill down these numbers for any country to understand the situation better. For the United States, for example, the data tell us the worst is yet to come. You see a high number of cases for the US these days, around 15,000 to 20,000 new cases per day, but so far, relatively few dead and severely ill. But the epidemic there started in earnest much later, so you can expect that there will be an explosion of severely ill and dead in the next few weeks.
The first symptoms typically come after about seven days and, in the next week, people that have symptoms can become severely ill. So many of those infected in the past week will only become severely ill in the coming days, and need treatment. The idea that reopening their country by Easter is feasible, is even less realistic than in Europe. (And in Europe, I wouldn't expect a return to normal for months).
There is, however, hope and progress on the horizon. To get to a fundamental solution, we need first and foremost to test more people, and that's now increasingly happening all over the world".
abandonconflict
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I thought you said they were vastly under-reporting the deaths tho...Here chew on this for a spell, commercial is almost over.
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Here's an excerpt:A virologist writes to his family to explain Europe's lockdown
"I know a lot of people are still saying that the public health reaction we're seeing is exaggerated, or that we must go back to work. But I don't agree at all."
This is still a public health crisis.
To understand this, look again at the numbers from Worldometer. It starts with good news. By now, in most of Europe, the number of new cases seems to be flattening, as lockdowns have been in effect for two weeks or more. In Belgium the daily cases are around 1,500, in Switzerland about 1,000, and in Spain and Italy about 5,000. In the US, the curve is still going up.
Cumulative confirmed deaths from COVID-19.
Image: Reuters Graphics
But to understand why ending the lockdown isn't possible yet, you should look at some other numbers: namely, the "active" cases and the "severe or critical" cases. Those are the people in the hospitals needing intensive care, and their number is still increasing significantly. As long as they are going up, hospitals are over capacity, and we shouldn't expect measures to be relaxed: it would mean risking many more deaths.
You can drill down these numbers for any country to understand the situation better. For the United States, for example, the data tell us the worst is yet to come. You see a high number of cases for the US these days, around 15,000 to 20,000 new cases per day, but so far, relatively few dead and severely ill. But the epidemic there started in earnest much later, so you can expect that there will be an explosion of severely ill and dead in the next few weeks.
The first symptoms typically come after about seven days and, in the next week, people that have symptoms can become severely ill. So many of those infected in the past week will only become severely ill in the coming days, and need treatment. The idea that reopening their country by Easter is feasible, is even less realistic than in Europe. (And in Europe, I wouldn't expect a return to normal for months).
There is, however, hope and progress on the horizon. To get to a fundamental solution, we need first and foremost to test more people, and that's now increasingly happening all over the world".
DIY-HP-LED
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Hey Abandon your troubles are over, Donald wants to reopen the economy and I understand the white house is understaffed and short of talent, send an email!
DIY-HP-LED
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In NYC apparently
abandonconflict
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It must be nice for you having so much money that you can stay home call me a Trump supporter just because I want to get out and work to feed my family and save the fucking world from climate change by solving coral bleaching.Hey Abandon your troubles are over, Donald wants to reopen the economy and I understand the white house is understaffed and short of talent, send an email!
abandonconflict
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Even after this bogus ass logarithmic curve "flattens" there will still be thousands of new cases per day, for months. We'd be extremely fortunate if they decrease at the same rate they increased, but if they only "flatten" we're just looking at holding the same numbers while the economy flattens and all other deaths unrelated to the pandemic increase at alarming rates.
FireBudzz420
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I'm surprised some brainwashed gun enthusiast hasn't chimed in with the " oh they're coming to take our guns!! And lock us in cages"
abandonconflict
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Those fat fucks are mostly basement dwelling world of warcraft raiders who are allergic to sunlight anyway. They don't need a law to tell them to stay 6 feet away from others and their moms are the ones who go out and buy their hot pockets anyway.
Johnny Lawrence
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Great! There goes my whole entire industry!Prospect of large mass gatherings in California this summer 'negligible at best,' Newsom says
It's unlikely that any kind of mass gathering will be permitted to take place in the state this summer, California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a press conference Tuesday.
Prospect of large mass gatherings in California this summer 'negligible at best,' Newsom says
During the virtual livestream with reporters, Newsom outlined six points of criteria he...www.sfgate.com
Fuck.
doublejj
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do you know how to trim weed?.....asking for a friend
Johnny Lawrence
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What about the Covid cases not accounted for?
I know multiple who fee that they had it, but got over it within a few days. They were never tested. Could it have been a regular cold? Sure. But still, they were never tested, so we don't really know.
Two anecdotal stories stand out to me from this past week. One form a surf journalist, who bailed Orange County to head to a vacation home in ski country, can't remember where. His wife came down with a really bad cough within days of getting there. She went to urgent care, tested positive for Rona, and was sent home. The rest of the family got it over the following week. None of them were tested.
Another person on Howard Stern's staff had a similar situation. The wife was diagnosed at urgent care, sent home, and the whole entire family got it over the following two weeks.
These types of stories drive the actual mortality rate far lower than we currently think. What is happening to the global economy has far more reaching implications.
Johnny Lawrence
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I'm a fucking expert. But I only trim my own. Sorry.do you know how to trim weed?.....asking for a friend
doublejj
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many people have died that showed probable symptoms of Covid-19 at home and never tested......this is way more deadly that we are being told.
doublejj
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i'll keep your resume' on file.....
Johnny Lawrence
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And I would argue that larger amount of people have likely had it and not been accounted for. Far more than the random fatality not accounted for. To believe the opposite is kinda crazy, if you really stop and think about it.
doublejj
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I see it quite the opposite, this is more deadly than we will ever know.
abandonconflict
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More infectious means less deadly though, I don't see that you seem to get that.