DIY-HP-LED
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I think you need to explain that for us mere mortals
Lockdowns don't work.
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Budley Doright
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And you know this by the accurate testing carried out by the States? Try harder, I thought you were better.
abandonconflict
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In fact, this study conducted in Germany shows that the US is in an exception to the trend of only 6% of cases being confirmed. That is the very reason why cases are apparently so high.
abandonconflict
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As this article explains it...
NYC Reports Thousands of Additional Deaths, City Toll Tops 10K Despite Signs of Hope
New York’s daily death toll surged back near 800 Tuesday, a day after falling below 700 for the first time in a week, while its coronavirus caseload surpassed 200,000, according to the state’s Department of Health. Still, Gov. Andrew Cuomo pointed to signs of optimism as total hospitalizations...
www.nbcnewyork.com
doublejj
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I shudder to think of how bad it would be without NYC lockdown....scarryAs this article explains it...
NYC Reports Thousands of Additional Deaths, City Toll Tops 10K Despite Signs of Hope
New York’s daily death toll surged back near 800 Tuesday, a day after falling below 700 for the first time in a week, while its coronavirus caseload surpassed 200,000, according to the state’s Department of Health. Still, Gov. Andrew Cuomo pointed to signs of optimism as total hospitalizations...
abandonconflict
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lol
66% spike in deaths unrelated to the pandemic year over year, which would be unheard of...
66% spike in deaths unrelated to the pandemic year over year, which would be unheard of...
abandonconflict
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Trump* is such a pussy for a King.Yeah poor trump......
Coronavirus: Trump retweets threat to fire Dr Fauci who said US response cost lives
Dr Anthony Fauci said fewer people would have died if Trump administration had announced isolation measures earlier
Trump retweets call to fire Fauci who said US virus response cost lives
It’s not clear whether retweet was a vague threat, but Donald Trump has fired several prominent public servants over the last few weeks.www.scmp.com
doublejj
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I'm glad California Governor Newsom is following the scientists advise and not listening to trump....
'Normal it will not be': Newsom details plan for reopening California
“I know you want timelines, but we can’t get ahead of ourselves,” Newsom warned. “Let’s not make the mistake of pulling the plug too early, as much as we want to. I don’t want to make political decisions that put people’s lives risk and the economy at risk by extending the period of time before we can transition to get people moving again."
www.sfgate.com
'Normal it will not be': Newsom details plan for reopening California
“I know you want timelines, but we can’t get ahead of ourselves,” Newsom warned. “Let’s not make the mistake of pulling the plug too early, as much as we want to. I don’t want to make political decisions that put people’s lives risk and the economy at risk by extending the period of time before we can transition to get people moving again."
'Normal it will not be': Newsom details plan for reopening California
As California's COVID-19 cases reach a plateau, Gov. Gavin Newsom unveiled at a Tuesday...
Budley Doright
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All It explains is that more people died of the virus than reported ....... possibly. You provide no proof just hypothesis that match your your thinking.... it sounding more like the gateway drug argument lol.As this article explains it...
NYC Reports Thousands of Additional Deaths, City Toll Tops 10K Despite Signs of Hope
New York’s daily death toll surged back near 800 Tuesday, a day after falling below 700 for the first time in a week, while its coronavirus caseload surpassed 200,000, according to the state’s Department of Health. Still, Gov. Andrew Cuomo pointed to signs of optimism as total hospitalizations...
abandonconflict
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Budley Doright
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Where does it say the deaths were proven to be unrelated? FFS you are one stubborn SOB LOL.
abandonconflict
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In the article you are having trouble reading. I even included a link to it. Please, no name calling. You accused me of doing this, which I hadn't, then you started calling names. It's uncouth.
Here's that link again:
NYC Reports Thousands of Additional Deaths, City Toll Tops 10K Despite Signs of Hope
New York’s daily death toll surged back near 800 Tuesday, a day after falling below 700 for the first time in a week, while its coronavirus caseload surpassed 200,000, according to the state’s Department of Health. Still, Gov. Andrew Cuomo pointed to signs of optimism as total hospitalizations...
www.nbcnewyork.com
I'll even directly quote, again, the excerpt including that metric:
Let me know if you still can't understand it.
doublejj
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Prospect of large mass gatherings in California this summer 'negligible at best,' Newsom says
It's unlikely that any kind of mass gathering will be permitted to take place in the state this summer, California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a press conference Tuesday.
www.sfgate.com
It's unlikely that any kind of mass gathering will be permitted to take place in the state this summer, California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a press conference Tuesday.
Prospect of large mass gatherings in California this summer 'negligible at best,' Newsom says
During the virtual livestream with reporters, Newsom outlined six points of criteria he...
Budley Doright
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From your article
“may be wildly under-reporting the number of COVID-19 deaths.”
“may be wildly under-reporting the number of COVID-19 deaths.”
abandonconflict
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These things are not mutually exclusive. It actually strengthens my point overall.
Budley Doright
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Nope it doesn’t lol.
DIY-HP-LED
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Ok let's look at the meat of your argument:
"While even those numbers would signify a massive jump, a source also told NBC New York that the city may be wildly under-reporting the number of COVID-19 deaths. The source said there were more than 8,000 non-coronavirus deaths reported within NYC from March 11-April 13. For comparison, the city health department confirmed there were 5,167 deaths during that same time span last year — meaning there would've been a sudden, nearly 66 percent spike in deaths unrelated to the pandemic year-over-year, which would be unheard of. If those deaths were indeed related to COVID-19, the city's death toll would actually be around 13,000. "
Inaccurate estimates based on limited testing, the outbreak was initially much more severe than they though. The numbers are pretty meaningless unless each corpse was tested for covid-19 and they weren't. Lots of people died at home in italy too and were unrecorded and never will. There is no real data to extrapolate from here Abandon and certainly nothing to base your contention on.
Let's just take the total mortality rate and multiply it by 8 X to get a low end estimate of total cases and 18 X for a high end estimate of total cases out of 8.3 million. This is the only reasonable way to calculate the infection rate in new york and the range is rather large. I gotta go watch some tube.
Remember, your true purpose is to convince others that your contention is correct and the collective knowledge and wisdom of epidemiologists is wrong. You are seeking to overturn an entire branch of science, an ambitious task.
"While even those numbers would signify a massive jump, a source also told NBC New York that the city may be wildly under-reporting the number of COVID-19 deaths. The source said there were more than 8,000 non-coronavirus deaths reported within NYC from March 11-April 13. For comparison, the city health department confirmed there were 5,167 deaths during that same time span last year — meaning there would've been a sudden, nearly 66 percent spike in deaths unrelated to the pandemic year-over-year, which would be unheard of. If those deaths were indeed related to COVID-19, the city's death toll would actually be around 13,000. "
Inaccurate estimates based on limited testing, the outbreak was initially much more severe than they though. The numbers are pretty meaningless unless each corpse was tested for covid-19 and they weren't. Lots of people died at home in italy too and were unrecorded and never will. There is no real data to extrapolate from here Abandon and certainly nothing to base your contention on.
Let's just take the total mortality rate and multiply it by 8 X to get a low end estimate of total cases and 18 X for a high end estimate of total cases out of 8.3 million. This is the only reasonable way to calculate the infection rate in new york and the range is rather large. I gotta go watch some tube.
Remember, your true purpose is to convince others that your contention is correct and the collective knowledge and wisdom of epidemiologists is wrong. You are seeking to overturn an entire branch of science, an ambitious task.
abandonconflict
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Yes, it does. They're underestimating covid stats and you are clearly willing to question official tallies of deaths, yet you're quick to rebuke my questioning of the rationale when I except official stats.
Budley Doright
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Nope, I’m just questioning your saying it proves everything and I’m saying it proves nothing but carry on. Night Ralph
