Lockdowns don't work.

[hanimmal]

Nonetheless, there are now more than 190k confirmed cases in New York. 6337 just in the last 24 hours. They implemented one of the strictest lockdowns in the world over a month ago, when they had 328 cases. The average incubation period is 8 days.

6337 just in the last 24 hours and people have been under one of the strictest lockdowns in the world since over amonth ago.

That is the amount of people that got sick/tested right?

Incubation is 2-14 days I thought. If the average is 8, what is the total rate of infection for the population, that is the number that would really be helpful to compare. But right now the Spring Break idiots are just getting home at the 14 day mark. How many people did they infected still have days left to know how that is going to be cleared right?

And I am not sure really what you are going through there man, I know it must suck. Here though life is not shut down really. Rents/bills is pretty much on pause, I can't see the electric companies/water being shut down. If people need shit from the store they just go get it. The only thing is nobody really knows if they are infected until they spread it. But with limiting the contacts with people, people had a chance to realize they need to start being cleaner and more aware. Unlike prior to the shutdown we basically ignored it mostly.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

You are too focused on the details here, it's the broader statistical picture that counts. There are simply too many factors here that influence the outcome and it is far too early to make any overarching claims. If there was any validity to your point you should be able to find those who support it in the academic community, there's always some clever fellow looking to make a name for him(here)self. Maybe you should look for such proof and stick to the arguments instead of being all pissed off when challenged reasonably. I mean New York is not locked down, sure businesses and schools are closed, but you can go for a walk and are not confined to an apartment. Any numbers being thrown around at this point are pretty much meaningless, except for one number and that is what would happen if we didn't take measures. This is not theory either, you are going to see it played out all around you over the next 3 months in the Philippines, lock downs will last until people are hungry or evicted.

 

[UncleBuck]

Lockdowns work

 

[abandonconflict]

HONG KONG – As the coronavirus pandemic sparks global lockdowns, life has continued comparatively unhindered in places like Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong after their governments and citizens took decisive early action against the unfolding crisis.

At first glance, Taiwan looks like an ideal candidate for the coronavirus. The island of 23 million lies just 180 kilometers (110 miles) off mainland China.

Yet nearly 100 days in, Taiwan has just 376 confirmed cases and five fatalities while restaurants, bars, schools, universities and offices remain open.

 

[abandonconflict]

Lockdowns do work.

NO THE FUCK THEY DON'T

There have been 6337 new cases in New York since YESTERDAY. The whole point of the lockdown, the major premise and the bullshit pushed on us all was "IT'LL FLATTEN THE CURVE". We all ate that shit up and stayed the fuck home. That graph is a FUCKING JOKE!

March 12, New York implemented one of the strictest lockdowns in the world and the city became a fucking ghost town. There were 328 confirmed cases.

Fast forward over a month to now. There are over 190k cases. The 6337 recorded in the last day will look the same on that graph as the dozens recorded on the second day of the lockdown.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

HONG KONG – As the coronavirus pandemic sparks global lockdowns, life has continued comparatively unhindered in places like Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong after their governments and citizens took decisive early action against the unfolding crisis.

At first glance, Taiwan looks like an ideal candidate for the coronavirus. The island of 23 million lies just 180 kilometers (110 miles) off mainland China.

Yet nearly 100 days in, Taiwan has just 376 confirmed cases and five fatalities while restaurants, bars, schools, universities and offices remain open.

Experience dealing with past epidemics, preparation, extensive testing and social contact tracing. Also temperature checks every day for school kids by parents, there are social distancing measures and widespread mask use, increasingly N95 masks. There are also a host of other measures, western countries are nowhere near prepared as much, or willing to engage in extensive mandatory social tracking. This is an apples and oranges comparison.

 

[abandonconflict]

Experience dealing with past epidemics, preparation, extensive testing and social contact tracing. Also temperature checks every day for school kids by parents, there are social distancing measures and widespread mask use, increasingly N95 masks. There are also a host of other measures, western countries are nowhere near prepared as much, or willing to engage in extensive mandatory social tracking. This is an apples and oranges comparison.

But no lockdowns though. Economy up and running continuously.

Meanwhile, we're using logarithmic graphs to justify crushing our economy with strict lockdowns that still have not been proven to actually do a fucking thing.

 

[Budley Doright]

Let’s just clarify a few points re New York. The “lock down” came into effect March 22. The “lock down” has not stopped mass transit. Walking outdoors is allowed, as is grocery shopping, pharmacies, etc. The 3 countries that seem to have slowed or flattened the curb were quick to act in stopping the influx of infected travellers but still, by tracking individuals, were able to isolate a large percentage of the infected and lock them down. The point is when a country loses control by failing to act quickly then they are left with “lock downs” whatever the fuck that means. Riding around on a bus or subway is not a lockdown IMO.

 

[BurtMaklin]

The only lockdowns that would have had even a moderate effect on the spread of this would have been an early lockdown of Wuhan, a proactive lockdown of International travel around the world in January and a mandatory, supervised quarantine (lockdown) on repatriated citizens and those they came in contact with. Instead we had our Prime Minister ignoring dire warnings, waving his moral authority flag, and yammering political speak about not being "racist". Fat lot of good that did, but we can hold our heads high and know we were polite to the CCP and no one got hurt feelings.

What we truly need is a lockdown on the idea that people, cultures and religions in a global community setting are above public criticism and shaming. If we are going to essentially deputize developing countries as key infrastructure in the global supply chain, a system of checks and balances with strict oversight and heavy penalties for non compliance needs to be put in place and "feelings" about cultural differences, such as wet markets that quench some bizarre thirst in the rich Chinese community for the exotic and endangered, are to be erased from the equation.

Wet markets are back open in Wuhan breeding the next pandemic as we politely tank our economies so we can get bobbleheads for less than a dollar or some other plastic trash that will eventually make it into our oceans and food supply. They locked out the help they needed to contain this because they didn't wanna be the fat guy at the beach. Where is the global outrage? We're sucking their dick so we can pay them for the supplies to get us out of the situation they created. Nothing to see here... but if you look juuust to the left you can see Trump being a buffoon.

Most of western society is going to die of cancer, heart disease or diabetes anyway. May as well get our names on the Covid Wall instead.

End disorganized, stoned rant. Bored!!!

 

[Budley Doright]

And answer this. Why then are all of the leading experts imploring countries/cities to actually lock down? Are they all wrong and your not? Is it some world conspiracy to push us into a super depression? Why? I have no ideal if the lock downs in place are going to work because I would “hazard to guess” its not enough in most cases.

 

[rkymtnman]

Saying lockdowns weren't needed in South Korea neglects the facts that our reaction and response vs SK's are not even remotely similar.

Lockdowns were the only choice left thanks to our ineffectual gov't and they are working better than doing nothing.

 

[printer]

Bishop who ignored social distancing guidelines dies of Covid-19.

Just a headline I just saw.

 

[rkymtnman]

Riding around on a bus or subway is not a lockdown IMO

almost every restaurant being open for delivery or take out isn't a lockdown either.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

But no lockdowns though. Economy up and running continuously.

Meanwhile, we're using logarithmic graphs to justify crushing our economy with strict lockdowns that still have not been proven to actually do a fucking thing.

We hope to get to that point in Canada with in a couple of months and have a plan to do it, after we get some of the safeguards in place like testing.

Logarithmic scales accentuate the change in rates and make any flattening of the curve more obvious, they are not a true representation of reality. But they do provide the information we need, the rate of change plotted graphicly. Your money or your momma Abandon, that's the fundamental choice.

 

[Budley Doright]

It’s the middle of the night for AC but he’ll be back to stubbornly proclaim “lock downs don’t work” because 4, opps now 3 countries didn’t and their doing just peachy. I’m waiting for the “this debate is over” lol.

 

[Fogdog]

Only very slightly, cases still doubling every 8 days. That's exponential growth. That's not flat. Furthermore, that slight gain can just as well be explained by the travel restrictions in the region.

Sorry, man. But you are wrong on this. There is a very large difference between doubling in 8 days vs the national average which is doubling every 5 days. Also, it is not explained by travel restrictions. I won't try to prove a negative. It's your assertion that travel restrictions can radically change the doubling rate and I've never seen one article that claimed as such. I call bullshit.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Cops in Santa Cruz have already ticketed($1000) people for trying to come into the area from out of town.

Yes, but they've only done so when people are hanging out in public areas doing non-essential activities. There are no restrictions on travel, so long as it's not just to hang out in a different city.

 

[Fogdog]

7468 new cases in New York in the last 24 hours.

Yup. That lockdown is working.

 

[abandonconflict]

 

[Fogdog]

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Yup, the lockdowns are working.