NO defoliation appreciation thread.

[BobBitchen]

Mind blowing, isn't it? People who constantly argue about things they simply don't understand just boggles my mind.

I doubt he'll stop arguing, facts don't seem to faze him....

 

[Wattzzup]

The technical definition of defoliation is to strip all leaves. Agent orange, something most people have heard of, was used to defoliate large sections of jungle in the Vietnam war to expose the enemy. This is the technical definition of pruning- a horticultural and silvicultural practice involving the selective removal of certain parts of a plant, such as branches, buds, or roots. You see the difference?

Thank you common sense has showed up.

they are only talking about how it relates to cannabis

 

[TreeFarmerCharlie]

That’s what I was asking you as a new grower. Defoliation definition in a book is different than what is commonly used in growing?

So is pruning what you are doing? And does it damage the plant in the same way you’re saying defol will?

Pruning is far less stressful on a plant as long as you don't go overboard. You'll hear people who promote defoliation talk about the "explosive growth" they see after defoliation. The reason they see that "explosion" in growth is because the plant is replacing those fan leaves, as quickly as it can, so it can pull it the light to feed. Now think about that for a second...if the plant is putting all that effort into replacing the leaves, then how the hell is that supposed to "focus the energy on the bud sites"? The thing that really cracks me up is most of those who fiercly support defoliation will also tell you that flushing is "bro science" when there are actual situations where flushing will help (like when pH is way off or you have salt buildup in the growing medium).

 

[xtsho]

The technical definition of defoliation is to strip all leaves. Agent orange, something most people have heard of, was used to defoliate large sections of jungle in the Vietnam war to expose the enemy. This is the technical definition of pruning- a horticultural and silvicultural practice involving the selective removal of certain parts of a plant, such as branches, buds, or roots. You see the difference?

 

[BobBitchen]

Thank you common sense has showed up.

they are only talking about how it relates to cannabis

Im curious as to why you're on this board giving advice on subjects you have little experience on & even less knowledge of ?
You should be asking more questions & giving less opinions.

 

[TreeFarmerCharlie]

Thank you common sense has showed up.

they are only talking about how it relates to cannabis

Bro, I think you need to put down the keyboard and grab a coffee. I literally explained that to you HERE, in the second sentence, and I've even broken down the definition to you twice so far. People are only giving you a hard time because you refuse to accept the facts.

 

[Wattzzup]

Pruning is far less stressful on a plant as long as you don't go overboard. You'll hear people who promote defoliation talk about the "explosive growth" they see after defoliation. The reason they see that "explosion" in growth is because the plant is replacing those fan leaves, as quickly as it can, so it can pull it the light to feed. Now think about that for a second...if the plant is putting all that effort into replacing the leaves, then how the hell is that supposed to "focus the energy on the bud sites"? The thing that really cracks me up is most of those who fiercly support defoliation will also tell you that flushing is "bro science" when there are actual situations where flushing will help (like when pH is way off or you have salt buildup in the growing medium).

I trimmed and saw the new growth shoot up. It’s pretty obvious and you agree with that? I was called a liar for that every statement. Think about this all those new “shoots” are now getting light they previously were not. Which includes their leaves.

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Thank you no one had said that on here. They just keep calling me dumb for not agreeing with them. So there are 3 camps
Defol
Pruners/trimmers
Don’t touch my plant

I’m confused on how trimming/pruning for airflow doesn’t stunt the growth in the same way removing leaves would?

Bottom branches that dont get hardly any light dont produce shit for bud. Any seasoned grower will tell you this. So if they are never going to produce anything worthwhile, it makes sense to remove them before the plant spends all sorts of energy growing them out. The plant wastes a lot of energy growing those branches trying to find light with them and they never find the light. Yes pruning does stunt plants, but stunting a photo plant in veg isnt really an issue, you just stay in veg a little longer. The whole point is training the plant to produce nice top sites and an even canopy. I mean fuck do you guys consider topping plants bad too? You going to call topping a form of defoliation? Stunting the plant?

 

[TreeFarmerCharlie]

I trimmed and saw the new growth shoot up. It’s pretty obvious and you agree with that? I was called a liar for that every statement. Think about this all those new “shoots” are now getting light they previously were not. Which includes their leaves.

Cannabis has apical dominance, which causes the plant to focus on the main cola more than the rest of the branches, and topping breaks the apical dominance. Topping is pruning...not defoliation.

 

[BobBitchen]

I trimmed and saw the new growth shoot up. It’s pretty obvious and you agree with that? I was called a liar for that every statement. Think about this all those new “shoots” are now getting light they previously were not. Which includes their leaves.

You're cutting of leaves so the plant can focus on growing new leaves ?
How does this make any sense ?

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Cannabis has apical dominance, which causes the plant to focus on the main cola more than the rest of the branches, and topping breaks the apical dominance. Topping is pruning...not defoliation.

Removing bottom branches and leaves is also pruning.

 

[BobBitchen]

Removing bottom branches and leaves is also pruning.

yes it is, with reason behind it.

 

[TreeFarmerCharlie]

Removing bottom branches and leaves is also pruning.

I never said it wasn't. And, to be clear, I clearly explained the difference between pruning and defoliation earlier on in this discussion.

 

[Wattzzup]

Bottom branches that dont get hardly any light dont produce shit for bud. Any seasoned grower will tell you this. So if they are never going to produce anything worthwhile, it makes sense to remove them before the plant spends all sorts of energy growing them out. The plant wastes a lot of energy growing those branches trying to find light with them and they never find the light. Yes pruning does stunt plants, but stunting a photo plant in veg isnt really an issue, you just stay in veg a little longer. The whole point is training the plant to produce nice top sites and an even canopy. I mean fuck do you guys consider topping plants bad too? You going to call topping a form of defoliation? Stunting the plant?

I agree but if you remove them you’re defoliating IMO.

listen as a new member there is a lot of bs on here. Over the past two weeks I’m trying to decide if I should defoliate my auto or not. I tried it, posted I took 1 large fan from my auto and now 10 new spots are getting light. I was ripped for it. I’m trying to get a count of who does what and why.

when I see people post - don’t cut your plant it hurts your growth and stunts it, etc then see they cut branches and leaves that they think are problems I disregard their advice. Sorry.

I respect the don’t touch your plant peoples opinion because they are making an argument and sticking to it like they believe it. Defols seem to do the same. the people in the middle you have to count as defols by definition IMO no matter what they call themselves.

 

[TreeFarmerCharlie]

I agree but if you remove them you’re defoliating IMO.

Unfortunately, your opinion is wrong, and opinions don't matter when we are dealing with scientific definitions. If you keep calling pruning "defoliating" you are doig nothing but making yourself look ignorant and causing more confusion to those who are starting out.

 

[.Smoke]

This is why I only get "unsavory" plants.

Wave a couple dollars around and they strip themselves...

 

[Wattzzup]

Four definitions of defoliation

to strip (a tree, bush, etc.) of leaves.

to destroy or cause widespread loss of leaves in (an area of jungle, forest, etc.), as by using chemical sprays or incendiary bombs, in order to deprive enemy troops or guerrilla forces of concealment.

to lose leaves

(of a tree) having lost its leaves, especially by a natural process.

By definition 3 and 4 the plant defoliate itself by nature. So there’s my answer.

 

[BobBitchen]

I agree but if you remove them you’re defoliating IMO.

listen as a new member there is a lot of bs on here. Over the past two weeks I’m trying to decide if I should defoliate my auto or not. I tried it, posted I took 1 large fan from my auto and now 10 new spots are getting light. I was ripped for it. I’m trying to get a count of who does what and why.

when I see people post - don’t cut your plant it hurts your growth and stunts it, etc then see they cut branches and leaves that they think are problems I disregard their advice. Sorry.

I respect the don’t touch your plant peoples opinion because they are making an argument and sticking to it like they believe it. Defols seem to do the same. the people in the middle you have to count as defols by definition IMO no matter what they call themselves.

You plucked a few leaves less than 2wks ago, how can you come to any conclusion so soon ?

 

[TreeFarmerCharlie]

listen as a new member there is a lot of bs on here.

You'd fit in great over at r/microwgrowery. All the IG growers there will love you for your interpretation and, if you think people are ridiculing you in this thread, then prepare to be slaughtered over there. Plenty of people will be on board with the "defoliation is awesome" but they will still tear you apart for thinking pruning is the same as defoliation.

 

[Wattzzup]

You'd fit in great over at r/microwgrowery. All the IG growers there will love you for your interpretation and, if you think people are ridiculing you in this thread, then prepare to be slaughtered over there. Plenty of people will be on board with the "defoliation is awesome" but they will still tear you apart for thinking pruning is the same as defoliation.

Thank for your help like the last guy you just solidified in my mind what I need to do. Appreciate your input.

a guy posted he gets 2lbs on his autos. I mean really cmon