Third seedling try

[testology1980]

Hey man, at the end of the day, you have got to do you. I'm not even sure you were looking for advice looking back at your post.

I know that all plants are different and require different light levels, such as leafy greens require less light than fruiting plants, but not sure if you can compare the light required to grow a mint plant with the light needed to grow cannabis in seedling and veg.

I'm not even there yet with my grow but your 150W led should do you fine. Start at say 2 feet above plants and if they are stretching too much lower the lights. I have a 115W blurple that's 14 inches above my plants. It was 12 inches but one of the plants leaves were dry and thin, so raised the light and moved it away from the heat source and the leaves thickened. Check the link under my post to see pictures if you want.

IMO I wouldn't waste money on a separate light if you are using the same area to grow in, maybe if you were using a different area to get your plant through seedling. But can't really give any advice without really knowing the specs of the light, if it is advice you were looking for.

Thanks.

As I wrote, sometimes its getting very hot and I prefer to get a lamp for the first few weeks, until the spring, then the room will have air condition all the time. Now days air condition in the room is not an option.
I also want to add one more vent or to enlarge the exist one.

 

[sarahJane211]

My white widow is doing quite well now ....... how is yours?

 

[testology1980]

@sarahJane211

Looking good

Mine is looking good too. This time I am very careful with watering + I removed the heat mat + I upgraded the vent and the fan to lower the temperature to 26 Celsius.

You remember what date you plant the seed?
Will be nice to compare the grow.

Here is my baby:

 

[sarahJane211]

You remember what date you plant the seed?
Will be nice to compare the grow.

My dry seed entered the Jiffy on Thursday 5th March, and the head popped up Saturday evening 7th March.
I try and keep the temperature below 32c ..... and mostly succeed.
I know there are lots of experienced growers telling us to keep the temp down, but they're growing in cold countries.
I think the plants can live their life a bit hotter in the tropics and still grow.
I've got 2x 80cm PC case fans blowing in my tent with an open square vent behind them, and a 120cm PC case fan extracting at the top round tent vent.
It's 34c in the house now but 28-29c in the tent at plant level, and I'm happy with that.

PS. Yours needs a bigger pot now.

 

[testology1980]

My dry seed entered the Jiffy on Thursday 5th March, and the head popped up Saturday evening 7th March.

One day older than mine
Will be nice to track them both, even that yours is auto and mine is not.

I will wait to see root from the bottom holes before moving it this time.

You have too many plant for this tent.. I did it in my first grow
Then I had to choose 3 of them and to get rid of the rest.

 

[sarahJane211]

You have too many plant for this tent.. I did it in my first grow
Then I had to choose 3 of them and to get rid of the rest.

The flowering Amnesia auto (far right) can go in the garden if I run out of room.
The small centre plant is only a clone experiment, from a topped male, that'll be junked.
And bottom right is the remains of an Orange punch auto that just won't stop growing new popcorn buds.

I've put a mesh tunnel in the garden, once out of veg, everything can go there if I need the space.

 

[testology1980]

Ok.

Problems? I am not sure what is going on bug again after 2 weeks +- the leaves are falling down.
No WAY I watered it too much this time!

Perfect 25 Celsius in the tent. I upgrade the vent and the fan for this.
Also there is a new light, better one, quantum board 150W.
50-60 moist level.
The lamp is 80 cm above.


I watered very gentle with minimum dosage of root juice and PH balanced RO water.

The roots are popping from the holes in the bottom.

The soil is almost totally dry now after I watered 2 days ago.
I am checking with scale, she is weighting now on 80 gram, almost total dry.

Should I water it again now?
Move it to a new pot?
And the real question, can it be a bad genetics? its from Nirvana, but they start really good, and then something is going wrong...

Please advice... she is the most important thing I have in this corona crises after my family

Here are some photos, last 4 days:

 

[testology1980]

I gave her 3 centiliters of water. this is enough to prevent under watering.

What can be the reason?
I fixed the ph
The heat
The air
The light
The watering
Its in a small pot
Root are looking good and starting to pop from the holes, just popping
I thought maybe tomorrow to move here to a bigger pot (1.5 litter)

This is really driving me crazy.
Last grow I just put the seeds and got 200 grams from 3 plants without any issues, what is going wrong... I must make it work
I have been with it this time almost 2 month without success...




* upadte - few hours after the watering - the leaves are falling more..

 

[sarahJane211]

Your leaves are looking a funny reddish colour ........
My White Widow auto is still doing well ....... can't beat coco for an easy grow, I'd say your problem is the soil.
I had all sorts of odd sick plant problems in soil, all gone now.
And I don't have to worry about water or pot weight, just pour it on until it comes out the bottom every day.

 

[MrToad69]

Test get a pH meter and a moisture prob until you're comfortable figuring that out...Throwing up pictures and getting other growers to "guess" is not doing you any favors.
It doesnt help you learn..

cheers
Toad

watch the plant closely...when turgor pressure subsides the leaves will lose their rigidity...When you water...you need enough porosity in the soil that at
a minimum a little water comes out of the bottom of the pot so that you know your medium is evenly saturated...constant underwatering will leave the bottom part of the soil dry and inhibit root growth

 

[GrowinDatDank]

I gave her 3 centiliters of water. this is enough to prevent under watering.

What can be the reason?
I fixed the ph
The heat
The air
The light
The watering
Its in a small pot
Root are looking good and starting to pop from the holes, just popping
I thought maybe tomorrow to move here to a bigger pot (1.5 litter)

This is really driving me crazy.
Last grow I just put the seeds and got 200 grams from 3 plants without any issues, what is going wrong... I must make it work
I have been with it this time almost 2 month without success...




* upadte - few hours after the watering - the leaves are falling more..

Dude it seems that you got coco instead of soil. That’s why u start running into issues. Or if you do got soil with nutrients in it, you could be running into pest issues. Little mites that eat your roots and cause deficiencies. Don’t really think that’s the problem. I think the problem is you having coco instead of actual soil. You seem to be experiencing the same thing over and over at the same times and it could be that. Just an opinion.

i think that cause of the way your “soil” looks it really resembles coco

 

[Poobzilla]

Dude it seems that you got coco instead of soil. That’s why u start running into issues. Or if you do got soil with nutrients in it, you could be running into pest issues. Little mites that eat your roots and cause deficiencies. Don’t really think that’s the problem. I think the problem is you having coco instead of actual soil. You seem to be experiencing the same thing over and over at the same times and it could be that. Just an opinion.

i think that cause of the way your “soil” looks it really resembles coco

I would be wanting to agree its probably his medium at this point.
Have you been using the same soil through these past 3 attempts that all seem to be failing?
You seem to have changed alot of different things so leads me to believe that there is something wrong with your grow medium or that not everything is being stated so that we are getting the full picture.

I stopped responding as you were asking alot of questions about what looked like a healthy plant and I still think you might be over caring for your plant and not telling us everything. This is not an attack, and would love to be able to help you. It may be that we can't find out what the issue is because you changed quite alot of your process, between the second and third attempt, all at once and did not change things gradually in order rule out if it was something your now using, something you had or again if its down to user error.

 

[testology1980]

Dude it seems that you got coco instead of soil. That’s why u start running into issues. Or if you do got soil with nutrients in it, you could be running into pest issues. Little mites that eat your roots and cause deficiencies. Don’t really think that’s the problem. I think the problem is you having coco instead of actual soil. You seem to be experiencing the same thing over and over at the same times and it could be that. Just an opinion.

i think that cause of the way your “soil” looks it really resembles coco

This is gohhny green premium mix of soil.
Not coco for sure. might have some in the soil, but its soil for sure.

 

[testology1980]

I would be wanting to agree its probably his medium at this point.
Have you been using the same soil through these past 3 attempts that all seem to be failing?
You seem to have changed alot of different things so leads me to believe that there is something wrong with your grow medium or that not everything is being stated so that we are getting the full picture.

I stopped responding as you were asking alot of questions about what looked like a healthy plant and I still think you might be over caring for your plant and not telling us everything. This is not an attack, and would love to be able to help you. It may be that we can't find out what the issue is because you changed quite alot of your process, between the second and third attempt, all at once and did not change things gradually in order rule out if it was something your now using, something you had or again if its down to user error.

Its only looks healthy now but the process has began again.
And its newbie central.. where else I can get answers
Its much easier to have it worked and ask when to harverst. Unlucky me, this time it has been 2 months that I can't make it work, and belive me, I am not an idiot. I read a lot, I have perfect balanced tent, and I can't find any mistake that I made. This is very frustrating.


The same thing is happening as the plants before.
After 2 weeks of nice grow, leaves are falling and grow is stopping.
You can see 3 days of grow in the last pictures, that the leaves are getting down and down and that is exactly what happened to the 2 seedling tries before..

I changed things cause I failed twice in such an easy process that I had to figure out why.
And actually I am not dealing a lot with her, watering only very carefully with RO ph balanced water.
What there is not to tell?
I am getting crazy from a simple stage that I had no issues before.

1. I gave it less water
2. I gave it better light
3. I gave it better air
4. I gave it better temperature (25-26)
5. I gave it better ph

What else can I do?

The soil is top soil -Johhny green premium mix, fresh and new.

The first stages are good, then it reach to a point that it simply stops, leaves are down and thats it, she will die too if I will not find how to fix that.


BTW - no one answer me if that can be a genetic issue.

 

[testology1980]

Test get a pH meter and a moisture prob until you're comfortable figuring that out...Throwing up pictures and getting other growers to "guess" is not doing you any favors.
It doesnt help you learn..

cheers
Toad

watch the plant closely...when turgor pressure subsides the leaves will lose their rigidity...When you water...you need enough porosity in the soil that at
a minimum a little water comes out of the bottom of the pot so that you know your medium is evenly saturated...constant underwatering will leave the bottom part of the soil dry and inhibit root growth

I am using a ph meter, the water are 5.8 RO.
The roots are growing - I can see them popping from the bottom holes.

Sorry, the picture where to show that the leaves are getting down and down each day.
Its a Newbie central.. what else can I do...

 

[Poobzilla]

I want to help, really, and I have limited knowledge at best but you have threw everything at it apart from the kitchen sink at this point so the only thing I can possibly consider at this point is that your soil is the issue.
Have you used this same brand of soil from the same bag for all your failed seedlings so far? Did you use the same brand of soil for your successful grow? If this is the case then I would probably get a new bag of soil as you may have an infection or something in your soil.

Not sure if genetics could be your issue or not

 

[testology1980]

Thank you.

I use the same new soil for all the failed seedling.
I used a different soil brand for the successful one, same store.

This is the only kind they are selling now for soil, there is not another choise, maybe just to go and get regular soil from another place.
But its hard to believe that its bad soil, its their main premium soil product.

 

[Poobzilla]

Just on that then I would be wanting to say it's the soil. Every product on the planet can have faults with it no matter how good the quality control is. Just because it's premium does not mean it's going to be great or even good.
Have no idea if others will chip in as I have no advise for soil or even coco for that matter as still following guides myself. Just wanting to help another grower as best I can as your seem to be stressing alot about this and understand that you have put a level of importance on this grow with everything else going on in the world right now. I am one anxious little bunny at the moment and my grow is keeping me a little saner than I probably would have been if I did not have a distraction.

 

[MrToad69]

Use regular potting soil with perlite or vermiculite moving forward until you can figure out your issue...In all honesty, this is not tough at all, yet this thread seems to have the complexity of building a rocket ship.

A regular potting mix will have enough nutrients in it to get the ball rolling...Thus you wont have to worry about nutrients or the mix being to "hot" (higher nutrients) which can be a shock to young plants...At least this way you can establish a plant which will have a better ability to recover should something go wrong..In doing so, you will just be dialing in to primary factors..light and water.

Toad

 

[GrowinDatDank]

Thank you.

I use the same new soil for all the failed seedling.
I used a different soil brand for the successful one, same store.

This is the only kind they are selling now for soil, there is not another choise, maybe just to go and get regular soil from another place.
But its hard to believe that its bad soil, its their main premium soil product.

Couldn’t find anything about that soil online but honestly not saying ur a lier or anything but it really!!!! Looks like coco, the strands of coco hair if you’d call it that, how airy it looks and the very light brown when it’s dry. Soil when dry looks way different that coco. Try a different soil.