New grower LED light questions.

[hybridway2]

Can you be specific as why this is a "bad, bad" light? Just saying it is bad, doesn't help us understand why and allow us to make a better decision. After many many years on forums, it's hard to learn from vagueness, and sort out all the "fan boy" recommendations (not reffering to you as one as I don't know you) in order to make decisions by facts. Facts are hard enough to come by in lighting since often manufacture info is not accurate.

Yes, I already have 2 of these lights as I needed something to start with. The light tested at 280w draw.

Ya,ya, what Corey said!
Those that own cheap burples can still benefit using them as supplemental lighting, as a blender light. Removing the lenses on these lights will help accomplish this.

 

[G.I.JOSE]

A history of manipulating figures, making false promises, cherry picking science, poor customer service, cheap parts driven hard, cheap drivers, minimal thermal management and poor quality control all leading to high fail rates.

Most guys who use LED do so for various reasons, it might be reducing power consumption and/or heat or just wanting more light for the same power. All those things need the diodes and drivers to be more efficient, if they are not better then why spend the money.

Most noobs get into LED due to the dodgy sales practices and BS like "1200w full spectrum grow light, replaces a 400w hps but only consumes 120w" they read that and take it as a fact and then the price seems cheap, but when they have to buy 3 more of them to light a 3x3 space enough to produce dense buds in flower they have ended up paying way more than a HPS or cmh set up would of cost and probably only slightly less than what a quality LED would have cost them.
They then end up using slightly more power and have more heat and need better extraction to deal with it.

End of the day enough of any light meant for growing should produce, its a case of misleading information and unreliability that gives "blurple" a bad name.

Dude you crushed it! Thanks for the solid response!

 

[Horselover fat]

Pretty much all you need to understand is umol/ppf and ppfd. Then you're all set to compare different fixtures. And skip any led manufacturer that doesn't list the ppf/umol.

 

[Powertech]

Ya,ya, what Corey said!
Those that own cheap burples can benefit using them as supplemental lighting as a blender light. Removing the lenses on these lights will help accomplish this.

Yup, that's what I was using mine for. It does put out photons so it is better than nothing, and great for supplemental, but mine just got demoted to Veg tent, so the colors won't be used anymore, just the white so called "COB's" using about 200Watts

 

[Turbonyg]

Turbonyg said:

Can you be specific as why this is a "bad, bad" light? Just saying it is bad, doesn't help us understand why and allow us to make a better decision. After many many years on forums, it's hard to learn from vagueness, and sort out all the "fan boy" recommendations (not reffering to you as one as I don't know you) in order to make decisions by facts. Facts are hard enough to come by in lighting since often manufacture info is not accurate.

Yes, I already have 2 of these lights as I needed something to start with. The light tested at 280w draw.

Ya,ya, what Corey said!
Those that own cheap burples can benefit using them as supplemental lighting as a blender light. Removing the lenses on these lights will help accomplish this.

Just to clarify, I did not purchase blurple lights, I ended up with the $100 6 cob 300w/280w actual lights.

 

[hybridway2]

Just to clarify, I did not purchase blurple lights, I ended up with the $100 6 cob 300w/280w actual lights.

No, you're testing or showcasing?
Well, i bought mine unfortunately. Then the return policy did not apply, boards explode on 220v, way lower efficiency & wattage then what's stated, Ect... Long story short, i got beat & stuck with them.
My own fault though for ever messing with them to begin with.
I could have bought a kick ass, high quality light for the same price.

 

[Turbonyg]

No, you're testing or showcasing?
Well, i bought mine unfortunately. Then the return policy did not apply, boards explode on 220v, way lower efficiency & wattage then what's stated, Ect... Long story short, i got beat & stuck with them.
My own fault though for ever messing with them to begin with.
I could have bought a kick ass, high quality light for the same price.

Not really doing either. Started as a what light to get, then ran out of time for hours of research (to many projects at the moment) so I bought the cob lights so I could get the plants started and growing so I could spend more time researching building lights. G.I. Jose is doing a comparative grow test between the blurple and cob lights he has.

How did you even connect your light's to a 220v outlet? Plugs are completely different from 110v, unless there are 220v LED set ups I'm unaware of.

 

[G.I.JOSE]

No, you're testing or showcasing?
Well, i bought mine unfortunately. Then the return policy did not apply, boards explode on 220v, way lower efficiency & wattage then what's stated, Ect... Long story short, i got beat & stuck with them.
My own fault though for ever messing with them to begin with.
I could have bought a kick ass, high quality light for the same price.

Im doing a sponsored grow Giixer grow lights and the green sunshine company (earth dust) dry amendment. The Giixer light is my white light and the blurple is FSGTEK. My review also compares Earth Dust organic mix and advanced nutrient grow.
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[Wizard of Nozs]

Amazon.com

Ive been using these for the past 2 years. Theyre cheap, efficient and put out a ton of light. You can grow about 4 plants under one. I have measured their par with my own meter and have pretty great results. My current grow is using a 4 cob version if youd like to see how well it grows.

 

[Turbonyg]

Amazon.com

Ive been using these for the past 2 years. Theyre cheap, efficient and put out a ton of light. You can grow about 4 plants under one. I have measured their par with my own meter and have pretty great results. My current grow is using a 4 cob version if you'd like to see how well it grows.

These look just like the ones I bought, just a different name stamped in the case, same listed specs and price.

 

[G.I.JOSE]

Looks like a good sturdy light! Post a link to your grow and ill hitch along!
Im growing in a 7x4x7 tent, so far I have 1 GG4, 3 Blue Hawaiian, 3 Pineapple Express growing under the blurple, and 3 Ghost Ship 1 Critical HOG under the white light.

 

[hybridway2]

Not really doing either. Started as a what light to get, then ran out of time for hours of research (to many projects at the moment) so I bought the cob lights so I could get the plants started and growing so I could spend more time researching building lights. G.I. Jose is doing a comparative grow test between the blurple and cob lights he has.

How did you even connect your light's to a 220v outlet? Plugs are completely different from 110v, unless there are 220v LED set ups I'm unaware of.

Most good led companies drivers are compatible with both. My room is 220 so it was important that these could be run on that.
True, the plugs provided are usually 120 style but are on 300+v whips/cords. Not so much i noticed on cheap leds. You are right though Shitty ones come with skinny lil 120 cords.
The Auto-Pilot takes either plug type & Never had an issue.
Some Leds & HPS ballast come with x2 sets of cords so one can use the proper plug.

 

[Wizard of Nozs]

These look just like the ones I bought, just a different name stamped in the case, same listed specs and price.

Yeah they go by a bunch of different names, but they're all pretty much the same other than the color they put out. Some have blurple and some have white. It's really not bad. They're driverless cobs. There are a few videos on youtube about how to replace them if they ever go bad. I havent had to perform the procedure myself yet but it looks pretty simple.

Here's a post to my grow using the 4 cob version in a 2x2.

Growing Made Simple

Hello everyone! I am creating this journal to document and share my take on indoor ''No-till''. After my medium is constructed, you simply set it under a light and add water. You will add non ph'd water for feed and it will buffer to the correct ph needed. The nutrients are all organic and...

www.rollitup.org

 

[christopher jordan]

How many actual watts?

 

[Turbonyg]

Yeah they go by a bunch of different names, but they're all pretty much the same other than the color they put out. Some have blurple and some have white. It's really not bad. They're driverles cobs.

I'll have to get a pic of the color as it seems I don't have one currently. I opened one and and there is a driver for each cob.

FSGTEK Cob Light opened.

I bought 2 of these to start my grow with. I figured I'd open one to see what's inside so I'd have the info to see if there were better cobs I could put in. Unfortunately, I'll need to take a cob off the board to see exactly what those are, which I won't do until I have more lights so I can have...

www.rollitup.org

How many actual watts?

Who are you asking?

My 6 cob tested at 280w. Meter was also tested on cfl and led bulbs and was within 1-2w of the total bulb ratings.

 

[Wizard of Nozs]

I'll have to get a pic of the color as it seems I don't have one currently. I opened one and and there is a driver for each cob.

FSGTEK Cob Light opened.

I bought 2 of these to start my grow with. I figured I'd open one to see what's inside so I'd have the info to see if there were better cobs I could put in. Unfortunately, I'll need to take a cob off the board to see exactly what those are, which I won't do until I have more lights so I can have...

www.rollitup.org

Who are you asking?

My 6 cob tested at 280w. Meter was also tested on cfl and led bulbs and was within 1-2w of the total bulb ratings.

Yeah. What they mean by ''driverless cob'' is that there is no main driver for them all and instead each has a mini driver associated with each cob. This is supposed to in turn, make it a little easier to replace individual ones that go out.

 

[Turbonyg]

Yeah. What they mean by ''driverless cob'' is that there is no main driver for them all and instead each has a mini driver associated with each cob. This is supposed to in turn, make it a little easier to replace individual ones that go out.

So driverless means 1 driver powering all of the cobs, vs having 1 per cob? When I think driverless, I picture the leds that run off of straight 12v and do not have a driver at all.

 

[Wizard of Nozs]

By the terms the manufacturers use, driverless usually means a mini driver on each one. I have seen any yet that have actually been directly wired. Feels like that might be unsafe. Yeah i thought the same thing so i researched the cobs they use to make sure.

 

[Horselover fat]

Amazon.com

I've been using these for the past 2 years. Theyre cheap, efficient and put out a ton of light. You can grow about 4 plants under one. I have measured their par with my own meter and have pretty great results. My current grow is using a 4 cob version if youd like to see how well it grows.

So what kind of ppfd does it put out according to your measurements? There's zero information about how much light it produces on that page.

 

[Turbonyg]

By the terms the manufacturers use, driverless usually means a mini driver on each one. I have seen any yet that have actually been directly wired. Feels like that might be unsafe. Yeah i thought the same thing so i researched the cobs they use to make sure.

That makes sense. As far as these lights are concerned, you won't be able to direct wire as they are not designed for 110v. The direct wire leds I'm thinking of are light the strip lights on a roll, under counter puck lights, accent lights etc. In automotive they are wired 12v direct, and the home stuff has just a 110v-12v convertor brick (which may be the same as "driver", but haven't heard them called that.