Making LED work in a cool basement?

Just Be

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These look awesome. Hadn't seen them before - Thanks!
No problem. Hopefully it works for you. I actually made a small root zone heater for a 2'x2' space by putting a small 1 quart crock pot inside of a terra cotta pot and then enclosed the crock pot with another terra cotta pot of the same size. It's not as sleek as that tube heater that I showed you but it does pretty much the same thing.
 

Moflow

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@olegren autos would probably be your best bet in the cooler months, less hassle.
I'm not sure where in world you are but links below will give you an idea on the insulation.
lightweight to work with, easy cut to size, cut out holes for fans etc
Line the floor with it, very important.
Get a fan above the leds blowing the heat downwards.
Extract the air from bottom of tent rather than the top.

https://www.insulationshop.co/50mm_celotex_ga4000_pir_insulation.html


Good luck!
 

PSUAGRO.

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Yes, couple old/proven suggestions already given.... Insulate,Exhaust from bottom, pots off floors, run lights at night or continuously (autos), etc

If you use a good auto breeder (dinafem, pyramid,) they should flower with 24/0. I hate wasting wattage (heater) when I could just add more light = more end product with autos . .. Or use hid in the winter

Edit.... You could also try 20/4 , the 4 off in the warmest time of day to save a couple bucks? Play around with a temp log meter.

Good luck
 
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Rocket Soul

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Noot sure if it was mentioned: the lower floor for heealthy growth is much higher with leds than hid. Id vote 24h cmh with quality autos.

Ps this of course if your not moflow who figured out how to cheat on physics and growin. Allways impress me ;)

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christopher jordan

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Yes couple good old/proven suggestions.... Insulate,Exhaust from bottom, pots off floors, run lights at night or continuously (autos), etc

If you use a good auto breeder (dinafem, pyramid,) they should flower with 24/0. I hate wasting wattage (heater) when I could just add more light = more end product with autos . .. Or use hid in the winter

Edit.... You could also try 20/4 , the 4 off in the warmest time of day to save a couple bucks? Play around with a temp log meter.

Good luck
Ya, he could use some of that foil role insulation under neath.
 

Humple

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Thanks, everyone, for the fantastic input. Been indisposed but finally getting a chance to reply. Ended up modifying my HLG order to a V2 and very much looking forward to putting that bad boy to work.

Moflow, thank you for sharing so much detail on your process. Can you tell me a bit about the way you're insulating the tent? It would be fairly easy for me to insulate the closet altogether; but of course the tent would require less effort since it's smaller. Also a great idea regarding the mat. I was reading about those but kind of wrote it off due to a lack of understanding. Didn't figure this would contribute so much towards ambient temps. Haven't even got so far as to consider medium and things like soil temp, but I will clearly need to deal with that as well. The floor down there is ceramic tile and quite cold even on a hot day.

I'm definitely going to creep on your grows and learn what I can.

Humple - Thanks for sharing your experience on this also. What sort of lighting were you trying for in your basement? Was the temp situation similar to the one Moflow described? At the end of the day, I guess I don't know what I don't know. Beyond ambient temps, I just don't have a lot of data yet -- but I'm looking forward to hooking up the LED and seeing what those can bring the tent up to by themselves.

sandman83 - Appreciate the clarification on height. I haven't done a lot of reading about ideal light distance yet either, but I can see your point. By the math, there's not a lot of room left. Was thinking less height = less space to heat, but I can comfortably fit a 6' tall tent in there. Might as well use it.

kroc,Skoal - Point taken. I'm still inclined to look into an alternate light that produces more heat rather than introduce a heater, but I guess I should at least see how far off I am before I make that call. If a few degrees, maybe it wouldn't be that big a deal to run one with a good thermostat. In parallel, I'm using this as an excuse to investigate some HVAC issues. There are vents in this part of the house - they just don't seem to do a lot. There's a damper in the system that I think may be broken.

Psuargo, Humple - Is the point with autos that they don't actually require any dark periods? I originally intended to start with them just because the process seemed more fool-proof and the yields were more manageable (I don't want to end up with a lot more than I can use personally). The more I read, the more some of these posts make me want to re-evaluate though. But if there's a benefit in being able to light them 24/7 and skirt around this problem during cold weather, that seems like a huge plus.
The majority of my time in the basement was under LED. Quantum Boards, to be precise. Two 31"x31"x71" tents, each with a 250 watt fixture. My basement is unfinished and quite drafty at the sill, so Michigan winters will bring the ambient temps down into the high 40's. I partitioned off a 10'x20' area with three layers of plastic drop-cloth, and added a space heater within the area, outside the tents. I also insulated the bottoms of the tents from the concrete floor, though I never tried insulating the top or sides. I just barely managed to squeak by, usually with very unhappy plants. There were a couple of sweet spots, from late April through early June, and from mid September through early November - but the growing schedule was never dialed in tight enough to consistently take advantage of that. The rest of the year was either bitterly cold or suffocatingly humid. It's really more the humidity than anything that drove me upstairs. The second time you lose half your harvest to rot, you start questioning the original plan. The wife and I aren't crazy about having the grow in our bedroom (though we love the white noise from the exhaust fans!), but it's better than the alternative. Now we just need to keep all visitors away from our room, which has proved to be tricky. Someday I'll build a proper, climate-controlled grow-room in the basement, and show the weather who's boss, but for the time being, my tail is firmly between my legs...

Sounds like you might have a better space to begin with, so hopefully you'll be able to dial in those temps just right. Best of luck!
 

PSUAGRO.

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The majority of my time in the basement was under LED. Quantum Boards, to be precise. Two 31"x31"x71" tents, each with a 250 watt fixture. My basement is unfinished and quite drafty at the sill, so Michigan winters will bring the ambient temps down into the high 40's. I partitioned off a 10'x20' area with three layers of plastic drop-cloth, and added a space heater within the area, outside the tents. I also insulated the bottoms of the tents from the concrete floor, though I never tried insulating the top or sides. I just barely managed to squeak by, usually with very unhappy plants. There were a couple of sweet spots, from late April through early June, and from mid September through early November - but the growing schedule was never dialed in tight enough to consistently take advantage of that. The rest of the year was either bitterly cold or suffocatingly humid. It's really more the humidity than anything that drove me upstairs. The second time you lose half your harvest to rot, you start questioning the original plan. The wife and I aren't crazy about having the grow in our bedroom (though we love the white noise from the exhaust fans!), but it's better than the alternative. Now we just need to keep all visitors away from our room, which has proved to be tricky. Someday I'll build a proper, climate-controlled grow-room in the basement, and show the weather who's boss, but for the time being, my tail is firmly between my legs...

Sounds like you might have a better space to begin with, so hopefully you'll be able to dial in those temps just right. Best of luck!
A small/efficient mini split would have solved your basement issue (s) friend..... But you already knew that
 

Humple

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A small/efficient mini split would have solved your basement issue (s) friend..... But you already knew that
Yeah, if I could have afforded it, that would have been a good option - after I insulated and walled the place! Which also would have cost me, and I just had to replace the furnace, so a remodel/outfitting of the basement wasn't in the cards. I just decided to say fuck it. He who fights and runs away may live to fight another day... (Which doesn't really apply, but what the hell, it sounds good.)
 

Chip Green

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a couple of sweet spots, from late April through early June, and from mid September through early November -
Preach on !!!!
I always get bumper crops(3 in row) in the perpetual room in the fall. About the time the furnace starts to run a little, but the humidity hasn't bottomed out into da U.P. Winter oblivion.
 

Serverchris

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If you can fill the tent up with plants your humidity will go really high, then put a 30 pint dehumidifier in the tent and it will keep your temps at about 75 degrees give or take a few. Also run your exhaust on a cycle timer, maybe 15 mins every hour. Using coco since you need to keep it pretty wet will also help keep the humidity up which will make the dehumidifier run more. I know it sounds kind of crazy but trust me if your trying to grow in a cold basement without a heater this is about the best way.
 

Zappa66

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I’ll be honest, I struggled in a cool basement with my quantum boards. I ended up restricting the airflow in my new tent to reach higher temps. In my old 2x4 I almost wonder if I would have had better luck mixing in a 150w hps with strips or something. My basement is around 60f at all times.
 

Couch_Lock

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I’ll be honest, I struggled in a cool basement with my quantum boards. I ended up restricting the airflow in my new tent to reach higher temps. In my old 2x4 I almost wonder if I would have had better luck mixing in a 150w hps with strips or something. My basement is around 60f at all times.
Similar here 62-63........I just keep adding more lights......close all unused ports.....running 19/5 not 18/6......its much better now.....humidity went from 26 to 29% temps hi of 71 to------> 50-52% humidity, 82-83 hi....lows no longer hit 60-63...........66 for those 4 hours when its all off.


humidity dropped to 46 as I took a few pics and door was totally unzipped
 
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TevinJonson

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I have the HLG 260 V1 coming. I was going to go ahead and throw it in there and see what the temps get to just running. Guess the best way to find out is to try it!
I comented b4 on your other thread an easy way to controle temps with led is to move the power supply inside or outside your tent because it gets really hot and of course how much air you blow through it
 

Couch_Lock

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power supply is on top of my HLG, attached. Didn't think LED's even have power supplies, CMH and MH/HPS do (ballasts)

My CMH's have ballasts, they can go in or out.
 
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Zappa66

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i thought about having the veg tent run 24hr and vent it into the flower tent during 12/12. Might still try that we’ll see
 

olegren

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I cannot thank you guys enough for sharing all this great info. I'm going to see if I can make it work with some of the tips shared. QB kit & tent should be here this weekend, so I can hopefully assemble and see what my baseline temps are gonna be like. I've also got someone coming to check an HVAC issue that could improve the situation.

Will update soon!
 

Couch_Lock

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It takes a few configurations to dial it in but u will. Where to place clip fan, Where to place humidifier, etc....
 
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