Gnat problem persists... please help

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Libre420

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Ok so it's probably not OK to do this, but I hope it can be overseen this one time.

I need some help with the last post in:

Some concerns / slow growing / bad drainage

Hi everyone, I've been following this forum a lot but this is my first post. I am running my 2nd indoor grow but feel as if I am not progressing in a satisfying way. My first grow was more than 10 years ago with a superb setup, 400w lamps, premium soil and nutrients etc. This time around I am...
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I thought an update would bump the post, but I can't even see it on the first page and am afraid nobody else will either, eliminating the chances of someone helping me out, which I desperately need at the moment.

Please have a look, it's regarding two plants with a history of gnat problems where I have done everything and now consider giving up on one of the two plants in order to focus on the "healthier" one....

Sorry for bumping this way, but any advice is greatly appreciated
 
sandman83

sandman83

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i saw your post.


What have you done in regards to the gnats? From your thread it looks like you just uppotted them. Any neem oil treatments or otherwise?

If you don't kill the gnats, you will just spread them to the rest of the plants eventually. Better to start some preventative spraying now. I posted a link in your other thread with some tips and tricks, I prefer just using DE on top of the soil to kill anything crawling around. You need to solve the overwatering/wet soil issue or they will just come back though.
 
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Libre420

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Oh now I see the other post is up too, maybe I should delete this one :/ I will reply to your post before I do that however. In two weeks time I have watered them on two occasions only, and not even much, just to the verge of some water going all the way through (0.75l each once a week)

The soil is literally never wet, but I will definitely stop the misting. My economy is terrible, I suffer from narcolepsy which I recently got diagnosed and haven't been able to work for a long time, living on bate existential minimum. Even a $25 neem oil bottle would leave me without food the last week of the month, something I already suffered through last month after the costs for new pots/soil/traps etc.
If it's absolutely critical, I could manage to obtain some neem oil but no earlier than in about ten days from now :/
The narcolepsy is also what is causing my terrible sense of time, I feel like I've been going on with these plants for months and they feel really tiny taking that amount of time ....

What is your opinion on getting rid of the gnat-plant completely right away, do you think I'd be loosing out a lot in the long run?

Thank you for your time reading and answering btw, I feel completely lost here
 
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ubluntu

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Gnatrol or Masquito dunks are supposedly 100% effective by people that used them. As long as you get the soil moisture in check. It seems like you are growing auto's though, so probably just start over, prefereably with photo seeds(my bias).

^^read your update.. water once a week is bad, thats over watering, water every 2 days at least.
 
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Libre420

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ubluntu said:
Gnatrol or Masquito dunks are supposedly 100% effective by people that used them. As long as you get the soil moisture in check. It seems like you are growing auto's though, so probably just start over, prefereably with photo seeds(my bias).

^^read your update.. water once a week is bad, thats over watering, water every 2 days at least.
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Hold up, that got me a bit confused .... you are saying I am over watering by not watering them often enough ? :0

Also what do you mean by starting over? You mean getting rid of them both completely and start from scratch? I hope I misunderstood that, but either way, for economic reasons that is not an option :/

Regarding auto, I am a bit confused here too. I want to remember it as having ordered auto's, but when I double check (barneys farm) , it says nothing about auto on my order confirmation, neither do they have these seeds in any auto-variant on their website (pineapple chunk)
 
sandman83

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How old are these plants? From what I recall of your other thread this is a peat based mixture with very little nutrients? Sorry to hear about the economy I am in a bind myself as well and it sucks =(.


Since the soil is taking so long to dry out and you are watering infrequently, I imagine you might have better success with some different soil. Purchasing is out of the question I understand, I think composting in the yard and making your own organic soil would be cheapest but also time consuming. I'm guessing testing the PH is probably out of the budget as well.


pineapple chunk if that is your strain looks to be photoperiod, which is a blessing in this case. You can fix the girls up and veg them a bit longer and still be able to flip to flower. The only downside is the time.......
 
sandman83

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Libre420 said:
Hold up, that got me a bit confused .... you are saying I am over watering by not watering them often enough ? :0

Also what do you mean by starting over? You mean getting rid of them both completely and start from scratch? I hope I misunderstood that, but either way, for economic reasons that is not an option :/

Regarding auto, I am a bit confused here too. I want to remember it as having ordered auto's, but when I double check (barneys farm) , it says nothing about auto on my order confirmation, neither do they have these seeds in any auto-variant on their website (pineapple chunk)
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so here's the problem, with dense/compact soil you don't get the air exchange and moisture exchange, you wet it once and it just "clumps up" and sits there never needing more water until the plants die. So you can "overwater" it even though you are only watering it once a week or so.....make sense?


" 2 different kinds of "peat"(?) With some sand, mud, chalice and some natural fertiliser "


I'm not sure what good the sand, mud, and chalice? did...... if you have it peat + aged compost + perlite for drainage would be my route, I go really heavy on the perlite myself I prefer the pots to dry out faster and water more frequently with mild nutrients instead of 1-2 weekly with stronger.
 
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ubluntu

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Yup, if the soil is staying wet for more than 2 days it's over watered.

If they aren't auto's then wait it out. Thought i read auto in the other thread. They will recover eventually. The soil and pot size are an issue for sure but they should catch up. Better soil and loads of perlite mixed in is somthing to consider next time you need it.
 
Sfrigon 1

Sfrigon 1

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sandman83 said:
so here's the problem, with dense/compact soil you don't get the air exchange and moisture exchange, you wet it once and it just "clumps up" and sits there never needing more water until the plants die. So you can "overwater" it even though you are only watering it once a week or so.....make sense?


" 2 different kinds of "peat"(?) With some sand, mud, chalice and some natural fertiliser "


I'm not sure what good the sand, mud, and chalice? did...... if you have it peat + aged compost + perlite for drainage would be my route, I go really heavy on the perlite myself I prefer the pots to dry out faster and water more frequently with mild nutrients instead of 1-2 weekly with stronger.
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I like the perlite. If u use enough it ensures u don't overwater and I go 50 50 with the coir and the top dries out quick . Thus eliminating their odds of reproducing . Thegnats that is sorry stoned
 
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Libre420

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sandman83 said:
so here's the problem, with dense/compact soil you don't get the air exchange and moisture exchange, you wet it once and it just "clumps up" and sits there never needing more water until the plants die. So you can "overwater" it even though you are only watering it once a week or so.....make sense?


" 2 different kinds of "peat"(?) With some sand, mud, chalice and some natural fertiliser "


I'm not sure what good the sand, mud, and chalice? did...... if you have it peat + aged compost + perlite for drainage would be my route, I go really heavy on the perlite myself I prefer the pots to dry out faster and water more frequently with mild nutrients instead of 1-2 weekly with stronger.
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The soil I took care of, I know use a really good mixture I spent lI've $50 on, that was one of my attempts to solve two problems at once, the old soil described earlier was utter shit and I got rid of it. I mixed this one with leca and perlite in, based on my research, a almost optimal way. The soil dries really quick, 24-36 hours and you can't tell it ever got any water.


I have begged them for like two months now, give or take 1-2 weeks.... still running lights 24/7 , want them to get bigger before I flip, but having read your reply, I take it that this might be more delicate than I was assuming. When would be a good time to flip?

Also I take it it's safe to water them more often then, some nutrition I do have at disposal luckily, just didn't use it yet as the soil was still new.

A big thanks to you too for taking your time trying to help me! I'm happy I posted, I feel like I will have a good course of action hereafter soon enough

Also, you think I should keep both plants or not ?
 
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Libre420

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Sfrigon 1 said:
Fucking hate bugs!!! Hey also turn the fans up a bit they struggle. Lowernight temps too. If they aren't comfy they won't wanna be there
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Right now the temp is constantly 26-30 degrees (it rises to 30 maximum if I didn't refill the humidifier in time)
At the moment I have no way of controlling the temperature other than lowering it with humidity .... I have a termostat output fan and carbon filter, but they are not in use yet as I haven't been able to get what I need to connect them (the aluminium thingy, don't know the name)
And without the carbon filter connected to the output fan, the output fan is simply too strong and sucks the tent dry into vacuum more or less as the input fan can't keep up.
(They are however in balance with the carbon filter in place as it is poses some resistance)
 
Sfrigon 1

Sfrigon 1

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Def experiment as much as u can w open and closed ports etc., I would use a oscillating fan maybe like a tower fan for the time being? Surprised there is nothing u can do for temps but if that's what you say then I believe u lol
 
Sfrigon 1

Sfrigon 1

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Also see if u can hook up a speed control for the filter . Maybe u can turn it down, sorry if I'm being confusing I'm really just trying to help
 
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Libre420

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Sfrigon 1 said:
Def experiment as much as u can w open and closed ports etc., I would use a oscillating fan maybe like a tower fan for the time being? Surprised there is nothing u can do for temps but if that's what you say then I believe u lol
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Economical issue, got about $300 a month after rent for living expenses etc :/
 
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Libre420

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Sfrigon 1 said:
Also see if u can hook up a speed control for the filter . Maybe u can turn it down
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Yeah that I do have, but again, not being able to connect it to the filter yet (the termostat output fan that I'm not using atm) , even if I set it on the lowest output (it controls temp by changing power/speed basically) , it simply outruns the input fan like crazy, the walls of the tent get sucked in as if there was nothing but vacuum :/
 
Sfrigon 1

Sfrigon 1

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Disconnect that shit and go back to basics if u have to sometimes it is needed I would do whatever it takes to deal
 
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