Auto hell.. no idea whats up. 4 months in..

Frank Nitty said:
Sativa for sure... It's not even close to being done... It looks overfed to me... And I'm the KING of overfeeding!!!
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Yeah.. GWS is a sativa.. i prefer sativa myself as i hate going to sleep at 8pm :) I have grown almost all sativa like durban poison and such and nothing filled out this big.. thanks :)
 
chex1111 said:
I agree. Nutrients are no the dominant factor here. Light regime is. Some strains do not mix well. A sativa that will continue to foxtail and a day neutral plant is a bit of a nightmare mix. Take budz advice and i would clean out the cruxt of the side branch and main stem. I found outdoors that some strains with ruderalis, be it Russian, Chinese, or Mexican will stay fluffy to the end. It's the genetics, not the fert. Ruderalis x indica is a better pairing. Good Luck Frankl!
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Thanks Frank :) And yeah.. someone mentioned above that it might not be a stable auto, which me having it at 20/4 and also it got way too close to the lights probably stuck it back into veg. it's 12/12 now.. will see.. And i will trim it up in a day or so.. If this thing finishes i am going to really hate trimming :)
 
BTW.. here is another pic i took the same night.. I bend a cola/stem down to pull it away and get a pic but its' so fluffy with leaved/flowers.. What i'm curious bout.. Is this a form of foxtailing? like having buds growing out of buds like this? BTW.. the light leaves are the bottoms showing cause of how i pulled it out..
I think i'm going to try trimming this thing tonight so i can get a better idea of whats going on.. it's like trying to look at a sheepdog right now.. i didn't want to stress it much which is funny since my Durbans i trim through their lives and they shrug it off.

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icetech said:
Thanks Frank :) And yeah.. someone mentioned above that it might not be a stable auto, which me having it at 20/4 and also it got way too close to the lights probably stuck it back into veg. it's 12/12 now.. will see.. And i will trim it up in a day or so.. If this thing finishes i am going to really hate trimming :)
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Yeah its a bush!!!
 
icetech said:
BTW.. here is another pic i took the same night.. I bend a cola/stem down to pull it away and get a pic but its' so fluffy with leaved/flowers.. What i'm curious bout.. Is this a form of foxtailing? like having buds growing out of buds like this? BTW.. the light leaves are the bottoms showing cause of how i pulled it out..
I think i'm going to try trimming this thing tonight so i can get a better idea of whats going on.. it's like trying to look at a sheepdog right now.. i didn't want to stress it much which is funny since my Durbans i trim through their lives and they shrug it off.

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I had a blue toof special that took a long time to finish just like yours... It was soooooo worth the wait!!!
 
Frank Nitty said:
Yeah its a bush!!!
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hahah feels like it.. i'm gonna trim it and keep it healthy and see what the future holds... i have some new seeds i have wanted for a year showing soon.. wanna open up that space:) Laughing Buddha and Northern thunderfuck :)
 
Frank Nitty said:
I had a blue toof special that took a long time to finish just like yours... It was soooooo worth the wait!!!
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An auto? I have had photos take a bit of time.. This is only my second auto thats why i'm worrying a bit.. plus it's a freak
 
icetech said:
I have a friend who of course is a "pro" who bitched at me for being under 6.4..
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well, for soil that would be right but cocos counts as soilless so you aim for 5.8
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icetech said:
BTW.. here is another pic i took the same night.. I bend a cola/stem down to pull it away and get a pic but its' so fluffy with leaved/flowers.. What i'm curious bout.. Is this a form of foxtailing?
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maybe but its too early to tell. but since your growing sativa there's quite some chance. high levels of luminosity can cause that.

Foxtails in mid flower:
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all the same strain but the front plant is a more sativa [brazil] phenotype, you see the difference? at places where the light hits hard there's a constant growth of new buds which makes the plant quite leafy and individual buds grow more elongated towards the light. Some people say with foxtails you'll gain more mass but buds will take more time to ripen...

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with foxtailing strains you can also observe at the top this typical spikey new growth that looks reminiscient of revegs (but it isn't)
 
Kassiopeija said:
well, for soil that would be right but cocos counts as soilless so you aim for 5.8



maybe but its too early to tell. but since your growing sativa there's quite some chance. high levels of luminosity can cause that.

Foxtails in mid flower:

all the same strain but the front plant is a more sativa [brazil] phenotype, you see the difference? at places where the light hits hard there's a constant growth of new buds which makes the plant quite leafy and individual buds grow more elongated towards the light. Some people say with foxtails you'll gain more mass but buds will take more time to ripen...

edit:
with foxtailing strains you can also observe at the top this typical spikey new growth that looks reminiscient of revegs (but it isn't)
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I think that's it. so just let it go? I just trimmed it quote a bit and it's like it's growing strings of popcorn bud out of the colas.. which i trimmed out also trying to get it somewhat normal.
 
ok guys.. i got home and trimmed it.. i normally popcorn and keep plants clean but with how insane this thing was growing i let it go all winter bush figuring i would get a crazy harvest.. I'm gonna let it run for at least 2 more weeks since i don't have seeds ready yet.. no rush on ending it.
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I should have cut that one hanging on the right.. but it amuses me.. i shall let it live :) Took out about half a garbage bag of plant..
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hey man so youre saying this plant is already 3 month 3 weeks into flower. one week veg only., .. hows that even possible... I wouldnt expect it then to be that large... its more like a month, isnt it? Nevertheless, after 3 month it should look differently....

maybe its just a weak plant on the flowering part. Have yout tried 10 h of light only?
 
That's one hell of a strange auto...
Nice looking plant now but a little airy on the buds...You never know, you might be in for a pleasant surprise when its done...and perhaps fills in.

You mentioned you've had it on 20-4 light cycle..When did it go into flower?
 
Kassiopeija said:
hey man so youre saying this plant is already 3 month 3 weeks into flower. one week veg only., .. hows that even possible... I wouldnt expect it then to be that large... its more like a month, isnt it? Nevertheless, after 3 month it should look differently....

maybe its just a weak plant on the flowering part. Have yout tried 10 h of light only?
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The plant is 4months (+/- 1 week) old.. It was germed and moved into a normal pot 1 week later, not just vegged for a week :) It's not a big thing, just gonna let it run and see where it goes.
 
MrToad69 said:
That's one hell of a strange auto...
Nice looking plant now but a little airy on the buds...You never know, you might be in for a pleasant surprise when its done...and perhaps fills in.

You mentioned you've had it on 20-4 light cycle..When did it go into flower?
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Went into flower bout 3 months ago now.. (i really need to start making notes, i pretty much just label them when i put them in their final pot not expecting to need more than that )

And yeah.. it looks way better with a haircut :) I'm gonna let it keep going and see how it goes.. It's pretty healthy and still getting new growth so... no reason to kill it i guess i just hope the buds form up properly.
 
dakindgrind said:
Jacks 3-2-1 user here.

What's the ec you're hitting?

Also coco needs lower pH, 5.8-6.0 is ideal.

Look at the range of color on those leaves, comparing lower older growth to newer top growth.

Lower looks dark green too high of nitrogen, and tops look light bleached out almost locking out nutrients.

My guess is your pH being out of range has limited uptake and if you were to correct now you'd risk nute tox as it appears your running too high an EC. Flush with 1/4 to 1/2 strength nutes and tea/humic acid/recharge type bennies.
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BTW.. as a jacks guy do you find it slightly colors your roots tan? I liked that their new formula mixes clear.. normal jacks seems to stain a bit.
 
dakindgrind said:
Never noticed it staining the roots. When I premix it up in hot water before adding to my rez it just looks like a salty brine.
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This is the bag I use, 5-11-26

Amazon.com : Peters Professional Hydroponic Special Fertilizer, 5-11-26 (25 Pound Bag) : Garden & Outdoor

Amazon.com : Peters Professional Hydroponic Special Fertilizer, 5-11-26 (25 Pound Bag) : Garden & Outdoor
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Thanks.. i have been using the 5-12-26 per greengene's advice.. when it mixes it goes tan though and stains a bit.. It looks like they changed it up to their new style formula though which makes me happy.. it mixes totally clear and almost instantly.. the older stuff took forever to get mixed.

This is the one i just ordered.

Amazon.com : Jacks Hydroponic 5-12-26 Part A Fertilizer : Garden & Outdoor

Amazon.com : Jacks Hydroponic 5-12-26 Part A Fertilizer : Garden & Outdoor
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icetech said:
Up until a few weeks ago i was running too high of PH (accidently) Bought a PH60 pend (apera i think) and man.. i love it, got so sick of those ph drops. So you are right, the ph was high.. i will try 5.8-6.2. I have a friend who of course is a "pro" who bitched at me for being under 6.4..

Right now i'm feeding it at 600-650 ppm.. When i started this plant i tried a new jacks product (15-5-20 made for tap) and it has built in cal and mag.. and it worked "OK" but i'm back to normal jacks now.. for 4 gallons of water i mix 12/8/4 If i go the full 3.6/gal that is their recommended plants burn bad.. even at 3g/gal i still get a little burn on some strains so i try to adjust as i go. I totally love jacks though..
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One of the reasons I went with the Peter's product over the "jacks" was their specific claim to be compatible with all water types versus one product for tap or ro h2o.

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Peters Professional Water-soluble Fertilizer | ICL US

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dakindgrind said:
One of the reasons I went with the Peter's product over the "jacks" was their specific claim to be compatible with all water types versus one product for tap or ro h2o.

icl-sf.com

Peters Professional Water-soluble Fertilizer | ICL US

Peters Professional water-soluble fertilizer provides the quick response and robust growth that produces healthy margins at retail.
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Yeah, the Tap one they do is 15-5-20, my plants weren't too happy with it.. but i love the instant dissolving. I ordered 25lb of the normal, that should last me years easily. Need to get some cal again though.
 
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