Auto hell.. no idea whats up. 4 months in..

[icetech]

So.. i usually run photos never had any serious issues, have been growing about a year and a half. After seeing how everyone loves autos i decided to try some.. the pics i'm going to post are a great white shark auto that has been pretty healthy it's whole life other than it got close to the lights about 2 months ago and the top leaves went almost white, but never dried up or fell off which i am guessing is light stress. The problem is, this damn plant is over 4 months old now, the colas are just massive, the one in my hand is 14" or so long and i can't get 2 hands around it, and it's only getting bigger, even the side colas are huge and it's putting on new growth still.

I read a bit that light stress can do this, but shouldn't it go back to normal eventually? I really hate to kill this thing but it's like it will never finish it has kind of developed buds, but they are not tight and there is zero frost but they are a bit sticky. Really odd plant. I don't think autos are for me.. my other strain i did is Amnesia haze auto, germed fine, xfer to DWC and it went into flower in 1 week it's only like 10" tall with buds coming in already. I am a bad grower any input?
Media: Coco
Nutes :jacks 3-2-1
ph 6.2-6.6
lights are 250w qb's..
The thing even looks weird.

 

[omgBoNg]

I don't know but it reminds me of oscar the grouch. That is massive. Maybe I'm wrong but those nutes seem off for flower, I thought the npk was high n and p for veg. And higher value for k in flower.

 

[Calbrowno]

3N:2P:1K is a vegetative feeding mix. You are giving far too much N for flowering stage, Need higher proportion of P and K. Also some lime green new growth which shouldn't be happening this late into flower. Has the light cycle been interrupted at all? Could be a possible re-veg. looks extremely bushy. Would lower your pH to the 5.8-6.2 range and make 6.2 your upper limit in coco aswell. P and K become less available at higher pH in coco.

 

[PURPLEB3RRYKUSH]

So.. i usually run photos never had any serious issues, have been growing about a year and a half. After seeing how everyone loves autos i decided to try some.. the pics i'm going to post are a great white shark auto that has been pretty healthy it's whole life other than it got close to the lights about 2 months ago and the top leaves went almost white, but never dried up or fell off which i am guessing is light stress. The problem is, this damn plant is over 4 months old now, the colas are just massive, the one in my hand is 14" or so long and i can't get 2 hands around it, and it's only getting bigger, even the side colas are huge and it's putting on new growth still.

I read a bit that light stress can do this, but shouldn't it go back to normal eventually? I really hate to kill this thing but it's like it will never finish it has kind of developed buds, but they are not tight and there is zero frost but they are a bit sticky. Really odd plant. I don't think autos are for me.. my other strain i did is Amnesia haze auto, germed fine, xfer to DWC and it went into flower in 1 week it's only like 10" tall with buds coming in already. I am a bad grower any input?
Media: Coco
Nutes :jacks 3-2-1
ph 6.2-6.6
lights are 250w qb's..
The thing even looks weird.
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Those nute r more set up for veg 123 would be better, thats why its leafy

 

[icetech]

Its not 3 2 1 npk.. Jacks is a system, the 3 2 1 is just the ratio for it.. Same as I have always used, iust a weird plant

 

[Lorenzo420]

If you’re considering chopping it down, I would suggest giving her a good prune first. There are definitely some buds on there, maybe she’ll focus on budding if you keep her more manicured.

I’m sure you know your dates, but you’re positive it’s been 4 months?

Light schedule shouldn’t effect auto flowers, as they can usually grow and flower regardless, even under 24 hours of light. But maybe something weird is happening with the genetics?

Very strange indeed! I’m watching this thread to see if someone has a definitive answer as to what’s going on with her.

Best of luck

 

[Kassiopeija]

nevertheless it looks overfed. the old fanleaves are dark and the new growth discolored and twisted. theres a lot of burned tips and to the top both heat stress and lightburn (to the right)

Ruderalis plants may tolerate less heat, lightstrength and EC bcause of its origin, not much sun and cold.

 

[Tangerine_]

Ice, it almost looks as though it started to reveg. Possibly from the light stress?

It still has a ways to go. Can ya just slide it off to a corner and let it try to finish? At the very least you'd have something to process.

Definitely get some clones going or seeds poppin in the mean time.

 

[Chip Green]

Maybe it's a semi-auto....????

 

[ToneOZ]

Looks like a satty to me

 

[Budzbuddha]

Just flip to 12/12 and run as a reg .... some autos strains are not fully fleshed out in stability .
It seemed to have stalled and is very typical once it’s internal clock goes haywire. Akick in the pants often brings it around.

However , if this plant does not move forward after say a week under 12/12 .... drop cycle to 10/14 to force it.

Force flowering is a technique of last resort ..... if no changes after that , cull it.

 

[dakindgrind]

Jacks 3-2-1 user here.

What's the ec you're hitting?

Also coco needs lower pH, 5.8-6.0 is ideal.

Look at the range of color on those leaves, comparing lower older growth to newer top growth.

Lower looks dark green too high of nitrogen, and tops look light bleached out almost locking out nutrients.

My guess is your pH being out of range has limited uptake and if you were to correct now you'd risk nute tox as it appears your running too high an EC. Flush with 1/4 to 1/2 strength nutes and tea/humic acid/recharge type bennies.

 

[Frank Nitty]

Looks like a satty to me

Sativa for sure... It's not even close to being done... It looks overfed to me... And I'm the KING of overfeeding!!!

 

[chex1111]

Just flip to 12/12 and run as a reg .... some autos strains are not fully fleshed out in stability .
It seemed to have stalled and is very typical once it’s internal clock goes haywire. Akick in the pants often brings it around.

However , if this plant does not move forward after say a week under 12/12 .... drop cycle to 10/14 to force it.

Force flowering is a technique of last resort ..... if no changes after that , cull it.

I agree. Nutrients are no the dominant factor here. Light regime is. Some strains do not mix well. A sativa that will continue to foxtail and a day neutral plant is a bit of a nightmare mix. Take budz advice and i would clean out the cruxt of the side branch and main stem. I found outdoors that some strains with ruderalis, be it Russian, Chinese, or Mexican will stay fluffy to the end. It's the genetics, not the fert. Ruderalis x indica is a better pairing. Good Luck Frankl!

 

[ToneOZ]

Still looks like it will be a good yielder. Id take it!

 

[icetech]

If you’re considering chopping it down, I would suggest giving her a good prune first. There are definitely some buds on there, maybe she’ll focus on budding if you keep her more manicured.

I’m sure you know your dates, but you’re positive it’s been 4 months?

Light schedule shouldn’t effect auto flowers, as they can usually grow and flower regardless, even under 24 hours of light. But maybe something weird is happening with the genetics?

Very strange indeed! I’m watching this thread to see if someone has a definitive answer as to what’s going on with her.

Best of luck

I label them cause my memory is bad.. that one was put in it's pot on 9-10-18 which means it's about a week older than that (i tend to label when i pot them)
As far as pruning, the thing is, what you see in my hand in that pic is all bud(s) it's like buds on buds on buds and just massive. It's almost like buds gren then started growing more buds out of the buds.. I have never had a plant do anything like this. I will have to get some more pics.

 

[icetech]

nevertheless it looks overfed. the old fanleaves are dark and the new growth discolored and twisted. theres a lot of burned tips and to the top both heat stress and lightburn (to the right)

Ruderalis plants may tolerate less heat, lightstrength and EC bcause of its origin, not much sun and cold.

The discoloring at the top is over 2 months old from when it got too close to the lights (i am 90% sure at least the yellow leaves) I have cut the feed back a bit to 600ppm from 1000 and i think the lighter leaves might be is scavenging food.. But.. i'm here cause i don't know Thank you btw.

 

[icetech]

Ice, it almost looks as though it started to reveg. Possibly from the light stress?

It still has a ways to go. Can ya just slide it off to a corner and let it try to finish? At the very least you'd have something to process.

Definitely get some clones going or seeds poppin in the mean time.

Yeah, it does kinda seem like re-veg but do autos do that? It was 20/4 it's whole life.. 8 days ago i switched it to 12/12 to see if it stops doing this.. It's in it's own tent now... i mgiht give it another week or so. The thing is WAY bigger than anything i have grown before.. be nice if it finished thank you btw.

 

[icetech]

Just flip to 12/12 and run as a reg .... some autos strains are not fully fleshed out in stability .
It seemed to have stalled and is very typical once it’s internal clock goes haywire. Akick in the pants often brings it around.

However , if this plant does not move forward after say a week under 12/12 .... drop cycle to 10/14 to force it.

Force flowering is a technique of last resort ..... if no changes after that , cull it.

I hadn't even thought about autos not being stable and it might be going back and forth flower/veg.. I have it in 12/12 now and that actually makes me feel better that that's a thing.. I really wanna finish this thing.. Even the small colas on it are bigger than anything i have ever grown.. Thank you.

 

[icetech]

Jacks 3-2-1 user here.

What's the ec you're hitting?

Also coco needs lower pH, 5.8-6.0 is ideal.

Look at the range of color on those leaves, comparing lower older growth to newer top growth.

Lower looks dark green too high of nitrogen, and tops look light bleached out almost locking out nutrients.

My guess is your pH being out of range has limited uptake and if you were to correct now you'd risk nute tox as it appears your running too high an EC. Flush with 1/4 to 1/2 strength nutes and tea/humic acid/recharge type bennies.

Up until a few weeks ago i was running too high of PH (accidently) Bought a PH60 pend (apera i think) and man.. i love it, got so sick of those ph drops. So you are right, the ph was high.. i will try 5.8-6.2. I have a friend who of course is a "pro" who bitched at me for being under 6.4..

Right now i'm feeding it at 600-650 ppm.. When i started this plant i tried a new jacks product (15-5-20 made for tap) and it has built in cal and mag.. and it worked "OK" but i'm back to normal jacks now.. for 4 gallons of water i mix 12/8/4 If i go the full 3.6/gal that is their recommended plants burn bad.. even at 3g/gal i still get a little burn on some strains so i try to adjust as i go. I totally love jacks though..