Communist Dreamer
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Yes. But what I do is none of your business. It doesn't matter how cushy mine is, or how you're a big macho man cause you drive a semi.
"Medicare for all who want it"
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blu3bird
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Driving a truck absolutely isn't glorious or "macho" lol
UncleBuck
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You don’t even work, autist
i thought black populace wanted inclusion?..yes, you can have freedom to purchase a health policy you can't afford to purchase..of the options i can't afford a single one- not even ACA this year.
how about a moderate like bloomberg?
he took away your right to sugery sweet soda (soda ban) and ability to walk around the city without being profiled (stop and frisk) sure, sure he apologizes now that he wants to be POTUS..
Rob Roy
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At the end of the story, a government gun(s), because that's what legislation really is, is usually what prevents people from making their own choices.
Thought you knew that?
Padawanbater2
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Under a Medicare for all system, like the one I support, you can buy private health insurance if that's what you want. M4A doesn't eliminate private insurance, it eliminates duplicate insurance
A system that's subsidized by healthy people vs a system with no healthy people buying into it...
How does it remain solvent? Proponents of this sort of plan, like Buttigieg and Biden are offering gullible centrists like yourself can't explain that
hanimmal
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You are being disingenuous about Biden and Pete's stances. They both want to fix the holes that the Republicans punched in it in their quest to take it away from people and work to get the last 8% for universal American coverage.
They are just being realistic about what they can achieve in this moment we are in with the disinformation and propaganda being pushed online.
Padawanbater2
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How are they going to pay for it?
hanimmal
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I am not sure, I don't focus on what is not going to be the end product until it is delivered. I consider if it is deliverable, and we know that Obamacare has passed and is law, so it will be a lot easier to amend it than it will be to scrap the entire thing and try to pass something that is even more divisive.
UncleBuck
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Oh I get it
Bernie has no idea or plan on how to pay for his fiasco bill so now you’re trying the same tact but against people who do propose funded plans
pretty stupid, padaraper
Padawanbater2
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Universal healthcare is implemented in every other major country, it costs less, and it produces better results. The ACA has less support than a M4A system;
So Biden, Buttigieg, and their supporters I presume, support an idea that is less popular than universal coverage, costs more, produces worse results, and there's no clear understanding of how either of them will be able to pay for it..
The criticisms of Sanders M4A plan are ringing pretty hollow right about now
Padawanbater2
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Then explain how they plan on paying for it
hanimmal
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You are wrong man, what is going on is that the Republican State governors refused to let their citizens have Obamacare, and trolled it hard to create the Tea Party nightmare. If Obamacare is fully implemented, it is universal coverage. And people need it, in this we are not at odds.
Fogdog
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You first.
Better yet,
How does Sanders or Warren plan to pass this bill in 2020?
abandonconflict
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Taxes. The same way Bernie and Liz want to pay for it. The difference is the amount. If Bernie and Liz were honest, they would say that they are planning on HUGE middle class tax hikes. By hiding from that truth and lying through their teeth, they are making the goal of single-payer healthcare ever the more distant. They are doing a disservice to the people in need of coverage by being so dishonest.
Many people are willing to pay more. The question is how much more.
By expanding medicare, and being honest about how to pay for it, Biden and Butti and demonstrating the way forward. Liz and Bernie are just offering you free shit to get your vote.
*edit for addendum: getting every American covered is the way forward.
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Padawanbater2
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You keep repeating the same lie as if the frequency validates it
Sanders/Warrens plan eliminates premiums, copays, and deductibles. So while middle class taxes will go up slightly, which they both admit, the overall out of pocket amount will decrease for the overwhelming majority of Americans. You have no data or evidence that backs up the lie that their plans as outlined add "HUGE" increases in taxes on the middle class. That's right wing/democratic establishment propaganda perpetuated by those who oppose universal healthcare. Multiple scientific studies put medicare for all at substantially less in cost than the affordable care act, and it polls better, garnering overwhelming support among Democrats and pluralities among Independents and Republicans.
Both Biden and Buttigieg accept political bribes from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries, they have a vested interest in promoting the same sort of anti-universal healthcare propaganda
Sanders/Warrens plan eliminates premiums, copays, and deductibles. So while middle class taxes will go up slightly, which they both admit, the overall out of pocket amount will decrease for the overwhelming majority of Americans. You have no data or evidence that backs up the lie that their plans as outlined add "HUGE" increases in taxes on the middle class. That's right wing/democratic establishment propaganda perpetuated by those who oppose universal healthcare. Multiple scientific studies put medicare for all at substantially less in cost than the affordable care act, and it polls better, garnering overwhelming support among Democrats and pluralities among Independents and Republicans.
Both Biden and Buttigieg accept political bribes from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries, they have a vested interest in promoting the same sort of anti-universal healthcare propaganda
UncleBuck
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Medicare for all doesn’t poll better, it’s underwater
you’re thinking of Medicare for anyone who wants it
abandonconflict
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32 trillion - 49 trillion dollars in the first 10 years. That's the cost estimated by a study conducted by Kaiser Permanente at the behest of the US House of Representatives. That's 5-7 times the military budget. That's why most of the people who at one time supported the Bernie-lis plan now are firmly against it. I'm one of them. We've been over this, indeed, but you're the one repeating lies. That's why you didn't click reply when you tried to slip this bullshit in. There is no way around the fact that the bernie-liz plan will require ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE middle class tax hikes. Bernie's rough draft gives a scenario where people making 30k per year will pay an extra 10k per year in taxes but that this is a saving since they "likely pay 20k per year in private insurance". However, the average household of four pays 20k per year. The average person pays a fraction of this and often chooses higher copays and deductibles in order to get that cost down even more.
They regularly duck the question when pressed about it. Liz swears she won't raise middle class taxes. Bernie is incoherent.
10k per year is a lot of money. I can get myself covered for far less than that with private insurance, which I would choose over the bernie-liz bullshit any day. We both share the end goal of single-payer. I just don't support the way Bernie-liz want to do it.
Citation required* You mentioned scientific studies. Put up or shut up.
abandonconflict
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Please post multiple scientific studies.
Meanwhile the liberals around here are fully in support of paying a little more to get everyone covered. Can you afford to pay an extra 10k in taxes annually? I'd rather have deductibles and copays and keep my premiums below a hundred and fifty bucks a month.
Meanwhile the liberals around here are fully in support of paying a little more to get everyone covered. Can you afford to pay an extra 10k in taxes annually? I'd rather have deductibles and copays and keep my premiums below a hundred and fifty bucks a month.