a mongo frog
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Have you guys ever sulfur sprayed?
Looking for strains to grow with high yield and high thc.
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arcalion
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not sure why people are so aggressive against eagle-20 lol, if you use it safely its not a big deal, its not like people are telling people to pour the entire bottle, if you logically think about it if you were to use such a small dose during veg itll most likely be all gone by the time flowers are ready to be smoked, and dont forget 1ml/ 1200ml you dont use the entire 1200ml, its actually bonkers thinking itll kill you
PJ Diaz
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People said the same thing about Round-Up & DDT for the longest time. You are wrong, it is a big deal.
What is this "itll most likely be all gone by the time flowers are ready to be smoked" anyway? Most likely? What's that mean? Most likely according to who, you? Do you have science on your side?
Bonker's thinking it will kill you? Is that all you're worried about? Being killed? Not worried about long term health effects? I really hope no one else other than you is smoking your weed, unless you are telling them that it's sprayed with Eagle-20 first.
HashBucket
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This is why I only smoke what I have grown.
Or, someone that I know, been in their garden, know the grower and their beliefs ...
Mostly ... I grow it, I smoke it.
For me, it's a treat to get someone else's flower. It's nice to try other genetics and grower techniques.
But ... I gotta know ya.
Or, someone that I know, been in their garden, know the grower and their beliefs ...
Mostly ... I grow it, I smoke it.
For me, it's a treat to get someone else's flower. It's nice to try other genetics and grower techniques.
But ... I gotta know ya.
HashBucket
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Because it's dangerous buddy.
Seriously ... we love you like a brother, hate to see you hurt yourself (or somebody else). Find a better way.
arcalion
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i just mean theres half lifes, if you put a small dose at the beginning of veg before you even start smoking it 99% will be gone lol, but i agree take it serious and dont over do it
PJ Diaz
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Nope. You said "half-life is 60days", which means after 60-days 50% is left. That should be enough time to get you through veg and start flowering. Assuming you have a 60-day flowering cycle, then there would still be 25% left. Even if you went 60 more days, you'd still be at 12.5%. To get down to the "99%" gone you stated it would need over a full year growing cycle.
Doing it at all is over-doing it.
arcalion
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we talking 1ml/1200ml, the last time ive used it was actually .3ml/1200ml, i used maybe 1/3 of the bottle for my 2 tables of 16 plants, thats practically cured it, i cannot see that little amount doing incredible harm long term to anyone after 90days lol
the real mccoy
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"Derp derp" said this thread.
PJ Diaz
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Stop trying to justify your use of poison on consumable products. Eagle-20 is for golf courses, not for bud, and even then I would encourage against it's use.
Look dude, if you want to smoke your own poison bud, then so be it, but please don't suggest this to others.
PJ Diaz
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Why you should never, ever, spray Myclobutanil on Cannabis plants.
August 25, 2017 cleanlight
Grower Support Note: August 2017
Myclobutanil is an effective component in some pesticide sprays. That is, it kills fungi such as powderymildew and budrot. You find Myclobutanil in sprays such as “ Eagle 20 EW “. This fungicide belongs to the family of triazoles.
Some countries are contemplating a complete ban on Myclobutanil, because of concerns in the medical profession with regards to triazole resistant Aspergillus. Even so, Eagle 20 EW and similar products are applied frequently in conventional agriculture such as the farming of grapes.
When Myclobutanil is applied to tobacco or to marijuana, very serious health problems do occur: Myclobutanil releases highly toxic gases if heated past its boiling point of 205°C (400°F) Butane lighters, such as those used to ignite marijuana for consumption, produce temperatures in excess of 450°C. These toxic gases include hydrogen chloride, hydrogen cyanide, and nitrogen oxide. This is why Eagle 20 EW is strictly forbidden by law on those crops in most countries.
However, because of the fact that Eagle 20 EW is an approved fungicide in certain other ag crops, it is relatively easily available to marijuana growers. Some growers of cannabis, large and small, have been known to spray their plants with this dangerous fungicide.
Similar concerns about this and other pesticides, have convinced thousands of sincere US based growers to revert to non-chemical crop protection technologies, such as for example germicidal UV against powdery mildew and Botrytis.
If you are a consumer:
Please ask your supplier for proof that the product is free of Myclobutanil.
If you are a grower:
Please do not spray any product containing Myclobutanil on a crop that is to be smoked or of which the oil is to be extracted. Doing so is dangerous and against the law.
PJ Diaz
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Myclobutanil: Why are some licensed cannabis producers using this banned pesticide? - CannCentral
After a licensed producer in Ladysmith recalled some of its product last month, the use of banned pesticides in cannabis cultivation has been a hot topic...
Myclobutanil: Why are some licensed cannabis producers using this banned pesticide?
by Amanda Siebert on September 2nd, 2017 at 10:00 AM
After a licensed producer in Ladysmith recalled some of its product last month, the use of banned pesticides in cannabis cultivation has been a hot topic in the media.
Last week, staff at The Globe and Mail reported stories on two separate instances of product recall with two very different outcomes.
The latest producer found to be using banned pesticides is Broken Coast, which issued a voluntary recall on August 24 for three different batches of dried cannabis, all grown in the latter half of 2016.
Controversy also continues to swirl around Organigram, a Moncton, New Brunswick-based licensed producer that issued a recall for almost an entire year’s worth of its product in January, after tests conducted by Health Canada showed the presence of two banned pesticides. (Three additional banned substances were discovered by the newspaper after it used a patient's unopened Organigram samples in its own investigation.)
In both cases, the pesticide myclobutanil was found and described by the producer as present in "trace" amounts.
While Health Canada's spot test at Broken Coast revealed a level of 0.017 parts per million (ppm)—consistent with the company's word choice—Organigram used it to describe a detected level of up to 20 ppm.
Broken Coast patients have not come forward to say they've suffered adverse effects as a result of using the tainted cannabis, but Organigram patients intereviewed by the Globe said they lost weight, suffered severe aches and pains, developed strange itchy rashes, and coughed up wads of mucous after consuming product from the producer.
Even after recalling nearly a whole year's worth of cannabis, Organigram vehemently denied the presence of banned pesticides, claiming that it was unable to locate the source of the chemical.
Given that this particular substance has been explicitly banned by Health Canada, I'm wondering why it, and others like it, are being used by producers in any amounts.
Typically, myclobutanil is a fungicide used to prevent the growth of powdery mildew, dollar spot, brown patch, and other fungal pathogens, and is used on a wide range of perennial and annual crops, as well as fruit trees, vines, and turf. One of its most common uses is on wine grapes.
In Canada, the pesticide is permitted and approved for human consumption in small amounts, but it becomes much more dangerous when smoked or inhaled. For these reasons, it's also banned for the production of cannabis in Colorado, Washington, and Oregon.
When heated, myclobutanil produces toxic fumes like hydrogen chloride, hydrogen cyanide, and nitrogen oxides.
Despite its being banned by Health Canada, the pesticide's ability to target powdery mildew is what tempts growers to use it anyway.
If not immeadiately addressed, powdery mildew can spread from plant to plant quickly, resulting in lower yields of questionable quality.
Evidently, the threat to producers of losing multi-million dollar crops to an outbreak is far greater than the threat of having to face the music after publicly recalling a few products.
There are other ways for growers to eliminate the risk of mildew, like increasing space between plants, modulating humidity and temperature, and increasing airflow.
These are all costly measures, but is it too much to expect a federally licensed producer to have at least an interest in investing in such systems—not to mention a set of moral standards that considers the health risks the use of pesticides might create for patients who are already dealing with medical issues?
As we await the legalization of recreational cannabis, I wonder how licensed producers plan to prepare for what will surely be a massive increase in demand. If licensed producers are using banned pesticides on product deemed for patients, what will stop them from using them on cannabis intended for recreational use?
With Health Canada taking more steps to ensure that licensed producers are following the rules, hopefully this underhanded use of banned pesticides comes to an end.
While cannabis grown outside of the federal framework and sold at dispensaries is in an unregulated league of its own, a handful of local shops have taken it upon themselves to submit their product for testing.
This is by no means the industry standard, and it can be challenging given the legal grey area dispensaries operate in, but as consumers begin to ask more intelligent questions about their cannabis, I hope that dispensary operators make regular testing a reality sooner than later.
sandman83
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Eh, unfortunately that is how some of these chemicals are, a small amount even in veg is carried through and just not made to be smoked. Thanks for the relevant link to the article. Looks like something that has to be added to the "do not use" list.
I would wager the black market stuff here has always been sprayed with something similar or just as bad.
arcalion
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The
They never posted how much they used though
Why you should never, ever, spray Myclobutanil on Cannabis plants.
August 25, 2017 cleanlight
Grower Support Note: August 2017
Myclobutanil is an effective component in some pesticide sprays. That is, it kills fungi such as powderymildew and budrot. You find Myclobutanil in sprays such as “ Eagle 20 EW “. This fungicide belongs to the family of triazoles.
Some countries are contemplating a complete ban on Myclobutanil, because of concerns in the medical profession with regards to triazole resistant Aspergillus. Even so, Eagle 20 EW and similar products are applied frequently in conventional agriculture such as the farming of grapes.
When Myclobutanil is applied to tobacco or to marijuana, very serious health problems do occur: Myclobutanil releases highly toxic gases if heated past its boiling point of 205°C (400°F) Butane lighters, such as those used to ignite marijuana for consumption, produce temperatures in excess of 450°C. These toxic gases include hydrogen chloride, hydrogen cyanide, and nitrogen oxide. This is why Eagle 20 EW is strictly forbidden by law on those crops in most countries.
However, because of the fact that Eagle 20 EW is an approved fungicide in certain other ag crops, it is relatively easily available to marijuana growers. Some growers of cannabis, large and small, have been known to spray their plants with this dangerous fungicide.
Similar concerns about this and other pesticides, have convinced thousands of sincere US based growers to revert to non-chemical crop protection technologies, such as for example germicidal UV against powdery mildew and Botrytis.
If you are a consumer:
Please ask your supplier for proof that the product is free of Myclobutanil.
If you are a grower:
Please do not spray any product containing Myclobutanil on a crop that is to be smoked or of which the oil is to be extracted. Doing so is dangerous and against the law.
arcalion
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Yeah but most of it would easily be gone within 4-5months with tiny use, no biggie
Coalcat
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Holy shit....the amount doesn’t matter. They were talking less than 20ppm. Just because an amount is low doesn’t mean it can’t screw with you. Take a small amount of ricin if you think that something small can’t kill you(20 micrograms will do it). Stop poisoning people.
What about this scenario. A mother plant infected with PM, so one takes a cutting and then after it roots cures it with eagle and after waiting a month take another utting to create a new mother to preserve your genetics. Valid and safe scenario?
PJ Diaz
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Perhaps you missed this tidbit:
"Even after recalling nearly a whole year's worth of cannabis, Organigram vehemently denied the presence of banned pesticides, claiming that it was unable to locate the source of the chemical. "
Hmm.. wonder how it got there if they weren't even using the pesticide anymore. Hint: it carried over from mother plants to clones, because the shit doesn't just dissipate like you'd like to think it does.
I'll admit that I've used Myclobutanil (the active ingredient in Eagle 20) in a different product in the distant past to cure PM issues myself. That was before I knew better. I have since tossed all cuts I've had which were ever exposed to Myclobutanil including my true GG#4 cut. It's just not worth it, and frankly I'd rather smoke PM than Myclobutanil.
PJ Diaz
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Nope.